This Is News To Me. Stab HH100

RustySpoons

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Thanks William. I will dig out the TM5402 and give that a try as soon as I can. Her indoors up and down to hospital, Flossie the Lurcher on her last legs, a walk round the block now takes 50 minutes instead of 15.
Hope the other half and Flossy is okay, I lost my Lurcher a few years ago, she lived till the ripe old age of 18/19!

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TJExcalibur

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Not sure how old Flossie is, got her as a rescue dog from the Midlands around 8 years ago, must be around 12 Sadly she has arthritis in all her legs and one front leg collapses on occasions. All you can do is give her the pills, not good in the long run but its quality not quantity.
 
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Not sure how old Flossie is, got her as a rescue dog from the Midlands around 8 years ago, must be around 12 Sadly she has arthritis in all her legs and one front leg collapses on occasions. All you can do is give her the pills, not good in the long run but its quality not quantity.
I rescued mine, she was abandoned at some point in her life.
Same thing Skippy had arthritis in her rear legs, I kept giving her pills and cod liver oil, kept her going.
In here life she had lots of ops, her stomach turned inside out when she was little, her leg snapped in half and had to be pinned (chasing a cat!, silly dog) and then her womb burst at the age of 16! The tough bugger kept on going but sadly she had tumors in the end and I had to have her put to sleep.
 
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Mine just arrived, this is it going to either end correctly and also I show how to clear limits at the end of the video:
Does not look like a regular STAB rotor
 
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TJExcalibur

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Yes very good but mine returns to 0 degrees when it reaches East.
 
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Yes very good but mine returns to 0 degrees when it reaches East.
At least you know it's not supposed to, so we need to figure out how to reset yours etc.
 
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At least you know it's not supposed to, so we need to figure out how to reset yours etc.
Hisat had already reset it and returned it to me as working OK, waste of time. Will do a video of mine this evening.
 
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Hisat had already reset it and returned it to me as working OK, waste of time. Will do a video of mine this evening.
Have you got a USALS menu on any receiver, or tried what William suggested earlier?
 
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Have you got a USALS menu on any receiver, or tried what William suggested earlier?
Yes done that after Hisat said he had already done it but the problem was still there.
 
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Found it and tested it .
Its not labeled as STAB but INTERSTAR HH MOUNT mod. GI100 DiseqC 1.2
Must be very old , mayby the serial nr tells the story .
On the scala ± 60º E or W is the max , tested that at diseqc 1.2
Its also working with Usals , I set the Lat and Lon than send it to Reference and presssed STORE
Since my Lon is 5.8 E , it can turn to 53º W ±60º on scala .
If I choose 54º W it just move a little from zero and stops
With choosing 65º E , its turning to ±60º E on the scala , choosing 66º E it just move a little from zero and stops
Wenn I try to turn it further from 53º W or 65º E with diseqc 1.2 , the rotor just stops , dont turn back automaticly to zero .

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TJExcalibur

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Faults on the Stab HH100. As requested by PayPal and Trading Standards.
Dropbox - TJ
 
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Really! As you have 3 Stab motors can you therefore tell me why the problem only exists on the East and not the West? Could it be that your motors were made after 2009 when the update was implemented, whereas my motor was made in 2009 before the update and sold to me in 2017.
Why do receivers have pretend USALS software? I don't understand it, AFAIK Stab don't charge for the licence or help with adapting software for USALS, your problem should go away if you go to "0" and use USALS but be careful if you have bad software because it may let you save satellites that you can't reach or store satellites that should have a calculated position
real DiSEqC or USALS was made by STAB and nothing for anyone to try to "improve" on.
I use USALS only and made adjustment on the rotor around the pole if it's not quite right on weak satellites
I haven't had a problem for more than 10 years and that was my fault
my oldest STAB is 16 years old and the youngest I bought 8 years ago all work very good. even o new receivers (I have a VU+ SOLO 4K)
more than once water has got into the satellite cable that stopped the rotors working right but after a repair and remaking the ends the problem was solved
 
Channel Hopper

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Why do receivers have pretend USALS software? I don't understand it, AFAIK Stab don't charge for the licence or help with adapting software for USALS, your problem should go away if you go to "0" and use USALS but be careful if you have bad software because it may let you save satellites that you can't reach or store satellites that should have a calculated position
real DiSEqC or USALS was made by STAB and nothing for anyone to try to "improve" on.
I use USALS only and made adjustment on the rotor around the pole if it's not quite right on weak satellites
I haven't had a problem for more than 10 years and that was my fault
my oldest STAB is 16 years old and the youngest I bought 8 years ago all work very good. even o new receivers (I have a VU+ SOLO 4K)
more than once water has got into the satellite cable that stopped the rotors working right but after a repair and remaking the ends the problem was solved
The Triple Dragon stb has 'pretend' USALS software if you care to check the specifications (in Polish elsewhere on this site).
From memory there is a video online, also from the dealer that flogs these things on eBay, extolling the virtues of a Stab rotor and TD receiver in a bundled package.
 
TJExcalibur

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Why do receivers have pretend USALS software? I don't understand it, AFAIK Stab don't charge for the licence or help with adapting software for USALS, your problem should go away if you go to "0" and use USALS but be careful if you have bad software because it may let you save satellites that you can't reach or store satellites that should have a calculated position
real DiSEqC or USALS was made by STAB and nothing for anyone to try to "improve" on.
I use USALS only and made adjustment on the rotor around the pole if it's not quite right on weak satellites
I haven't had a problem for more than 10 years and that was my fault
my oldest STAB is 16 years old and the youngest I bought 8 years ago all work very good. even o new receivers (I have a VU+ SOLO 4K)
more than once water has got into the satellite cable that stopped the rotors working right but after a repair and remaking the ends the problem was solved
Yes I know all the blurb, had pages and pages of it from the seller. Are you able to inform me why in the 2 videos in my previous post give different results on the East limit? Hisat and Stab refuse to or are unable to answer this. I very much doubt if you can.
 
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Why do receivers have pretend USALS software? I don't understand it, AFAIK Stab don't charge for the licence or help with adapting software for USALS, your problem should go away if you go to "0" and use USALS
I don't understand what (pretend) USALS software has to do with the problem?
USALS software generates specific Diseqc 1.2 commands (GotoX) for the motor, nothing special about that. The hard limits are not affected by USALS commands or by other diseqc 1.2 commands.

USALS or non-USALS: the weird behaviour of this motor is still unexplained.

Greetz,
A33
 
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Hi I made a video of TJ... rotor here

For me it went east and stopped and went west and stopped (like Dales did) - I RESET it following two tests in both DiSEqC1.2 and USALS and each time his Rotor worked properly but I only videod the specific thing TJ... asked about

when the Rotor was returned to TJ... I made recommendation that like most clients he/she used the Rotor with USALS only the purpose of the Rotor (after all) is to make it easy to switch channels on different satellites - the USALS rotor does this by calculating the correct angle to point from three facts
1) where is the satellite - for example Hotbird is at 13 east
2) what is the client Longitude
3) what is the client Latitude
now once this is established the rotor must move to the correct angle for that satellite - SO LONG AS THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN CORRECTLY INSTALLED


I have done my best to help TJ.... but I can't fix a rotor which does what it's designed to do ie moe to and stop at saved or calculated positons for satellites this makes TJ...s rotor fit for purpose and a replacement will work the same way his does now if it's sent the same commands
there is no need to send the rotor to it's limits
and it's limits can be 65 degrees in either direction but also these can be disabled or enabled inside these extremes - if an electronic limit is enabled with some software in some receivers the rotor may either stop or return to zero but this doesn't effect the working of the rotor to stop at a satellite so long as the satellite is not out of range
all receiver manufacturers have the option to have licenced official USALS software integrated into their software but neither of TJ...s receivers have this fake software is definitely a problem (according to STA:cool: because it allows for contradictions to be set up in the commands to the Genuine STAB-USALS Rotorsat - STAB do not charge to integrate their software properly but they do insist on being part of the process (they don't want the problems TJ... is experiencing)
I spoke to Giusi Bergamini about TJ..s claims that the STAB - USALS rotorsat has been upgraded in some way Giusi told me that this is a misunderstanding on the part of TJ.... the STAB-USALS rotor first made in 1999 and the rotor made in more recent times works exactly the same way - what HAS Changed is some electronic components have got smaller changed materials - obviously a STAB Rotorsat is the sum of it's parts and many electronic parts made by some manufactures in 1999 may now have been substituted - none of which changes anything relating to the function
the reason STAB-USALS rotors are used is because they do work well and are very Durable - I have known many clients to have rotors which are more than a decade old and some now more than 15 years - when you consider the aggravation or cost of changing or replacing a rotor especially if you need to involve a third party it's good they are so reliable
I have asked TJ... to contact me for a voice or video conversation many times
and that offer of direct communication is still open
kind regards Tony
 
TJExcalibur

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The reality is Stab are not going to upset a long standing buyer of their products and therefore their tone changed when I said it was purchased from Hisat. Previously they stated in an email "the modification to increase bit the complete range was done in that years so it could be yours is one of the old version". I do not wish to be in personal contact with Tony at Hisat, I would only get the same on and on chatter with not answering the question. Even now Hisat are unable to answer the question. "Why does the motor go into reverse in the faulty motor and not in a new motor?" I will no longer respond to posts from Hisat in these forums because the dispute is being escalated to Ebay and Trading Standards. The reality is, Hisat sold me a motor made in 2009 for £82, which he now sells for £69 and this dispute will cost him more in bad publicity and sales than the £82 I claimed, I did not even ask for the postage I have paid out. His choice.
 
Channel Hopper

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The Triple Dragon stb has 'pretend' USALS software if you care to check the specifications (in Polish elsewhere on this site).
From memory there is a video online, also from the dealer that flogs these things on eBay, extolling the virtues of a Stab rotor and TD receiver in a bundled package.
Ah, here it is.


So there is little justification to claim the receiver is the cause of the fault described by TJ. Perhaps Stab Italia will look in to the forum at some point.
 
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