TM5402 doesn't see some transponders on Astra 19E

[mickwig]

Seems like you are mixing the sats up. Try to swap your Diseq settings.

 

[Tommy Wylie]

That is because you are not picking up 19.2 east channels as there are no subscription channels on 12422 H on this frequency @ 19.2 east
Can you please name the subscription channels that you found.

OK what I did was a blind search for a frequency range of 12.400 - 12.550 GHz, horizontal only. It has picked up Sky Bundesliga, Sky Hits HD, Sky Sport News, MGM HD, Syfy HD, and Sky Sport News again, all from 12.454H, and none of which are listed by LyngSat (which lists subscrption channels as well as free ones). It also picked up a number of sports channels from 12.532H.

OK I am now doing another "Network Search", and the list of transponders has gone up yet again, from 111 to 118. I tried this a few times last night, but the number of transponders never exceeded 111. I have left the previous paragraph in place just to show how a blind search will not work as well as an ordinary search with "Network Search" switched on. This seems crazy, as one would expect a blind search to be more thorough. Before posting this message, I shall do another network search.

OK, a subsequent search has now picked up 120 transponders, but 12.422H still has not appeared among them. I should maybe wait for a clearer day, as today is quite cloudy.

 

[Tommy Wylie]

Seems like you are mixing the sats up. Try to swap your Diseq settings.

I've checked them, and yes they are fine, with Astra showing up best on 2, HotBird best on 1.

 

[mickwig]

OK what I did was a blind search for a frequency range of 12.400 - 12.550 GHz, horizontal only. It has picked up Sky Bundesliga, Sky Hits HD, Sky Sport News, MGM HD, Syfy HD, and Sky Sport News again, all from 12.454H, and none of which are listed by LyngSat (which lists subscrption channels as well as free ones). It also picked up a number of sports channels from 12.532H.

According to Flysat the channels you are mentioning are on 12.304 H which would suggest that your LFO is not correct since you searched 12.400 upwards.

 

[Tommy Wylie]

According to Flysat the channels you are mentioning are on 12.304 H which would suggest that your LFO is not correct since you searched 12.400 upwards.

Yes it appears that my TM5402 has a frequency offset. I have repeated my previous searches but at a slightly higher frequency range (using blind search instead of network search), and have found some of the missing channels. I might have to repeat the process on several transponders to get the lot. The channels don't come through on the listed frequencies.

 

[mickwig]

LNB-Frequeny: 9750/10600 (sometimes also 9750/10700) check your high band

 

[a33]

I might have to repeat the process on several transponders to get the lot. The channels don't come through on the listed frequencies.

No need for individual frequence adjustment.
In your receiver you can set the LOFs (local oscilator frequencies) to suit the values of your LNB.

In this case I think you have a "universal LNB" with values 9750/10600 as @mickwig wrote.
In some receivers you just choose "universal LNB"; in others you have to set the values 9750 and 10600.

I guess your settings are 9750/10750 now; another (usual) LNB-setting. In that case your 'high' frequncies are 150 MHz off, as you wrote .

Greetz,
A33

 

[Tururu]

Si la configuracion del los osciladores locales estan mal, lo correcto es 9750 - 10600, al hacer busquedas ciegas puede encontrar casi todos al buscar sin mirar (si la señal es buena claro), pero si realizas una busqueda por tp y marcada la casilla (RED), no funcionara bien al no encontrar el tp valido por el error de los osciladores locales (10600-10750=150), tenemos un error de 150 en todos los tp's.
La busqueda en red lee informacion en los tp's que facilita el proveedor indicando la relacion de tp's utilizados por el resto de canales, se ve facilmente si buscas un tp manualmente con la casilla red activa, veras que despues busca otros tp's automaticamente el sintonizador.

La busqueda ciega tiene fallos y puede saltarse canales (cuidado), incluso con buena señal, con mala señal, es normal.
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If the configuration of the local oscillators are evil, right is 9750-10600, in doing blind searches can find almost all the look without looking (if the signal is clear good), but if you do a search by tp and marked the box ( RED), not work well not find the tp valid for the error of local oscillators (10600-10750 = 150), we have a 150 error in all tp's.
The search network reads information in the tp's that facilitates indicating the relationship of tp's used by the other channel provider, is easily if you want a tp manually with the active network box, you will see that after looking for other tp's automatically the tuner.

The blind search is flawed and can skip channels (care), even with good signal, with bad sign, is normal.


Tambien prefiero LNB's sueltos y un conmutador (DiSEqC), ajuste el jueves una antena de 80cm con un LNB y luego puse el monoblock (astra19-HotBird13), una diferencia brutal, malo como el solo.
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I also prefer loose LNB and a switch (DiSEqC), set Thursday 80cm antenna with LNB and then put the monoblock (astra19-HotBird13), a brutal difference, bad as one.

Verifica como estan los osciladores locales en el sintonizador (9750-10600).
Realiza la busqueda de los tp's que buscas y quieres.
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Check as are the local oscillators in the tuner (9750-10600).
Searches for the tp's you are looking for and want.

Astra a 19'2ºE.- +1400 channel.
Hot Bird 13ºE.- +1900 channel.

 

[Channel Hopper]

I'd clear down the memory with a full factory reset (everything, video radio transponders) and start from scratch. The TM5402 can still fill up if the previous owner used it on a steerable system .

Incidentally where did it come from ? (not here I hope)

 

[Tommy Wylie]

I bought the thing on ebay. it's actually working very well now. I've done some manual searches over wide frequency ranges and found transponders that wouldn't show up doing full satellite scans. All the WDR channels appeared several MHz higher up than stated on the official transponder list.

 

[4wd]

^^^
"official transponder list" where is this official coming from, and 100% up to date? Channels\freq., they change\move.

"channels appeared several MHz higher up", see Tururu's (and other posts) above, is the LNB configured properly, or is it 'evil' :O)
A normal universal lnb: Low band: 9.75 GHz, High band: 10.6 GHz.

 

[Tommy Wylie]

Lyngsat and Flysat both list the Astra transponders as allocated by SES. I would have thought that made them the official transponder frequencies.

 

[Tururu]

Si no responde a la pregunta: Configuracion de los osciladores locales del LNB, no dice nada.
9750 y 10600.???
Cuando responda a la pregunta, podremos ayudar, mientras, no es facil, pero si quiere miro en la bola las respuestas.

Un error de 1Mhz ó 2 Mhz no es problema.
El sintonizador puede compensar hasta 3Mhz. normalmente (con buena señal).
Mejor Flysat, es mas sencillo y esta redondeado el dato del tp.
11343.500 ==> 11344 por ejemplo.
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If you do not answer the question: Settings LNB local oscillators, says nothing.
9750 and 10600. ???
When answering the question, we can help, while not easy, but if you look at the ball the answers.

An error of 1MHz or 2MHz is no problem.
The tuner can compensate up to 3MHz. normally (with good sign).
Flysat better, it is simpler and is rounded tp the data.
11343.500 ==> 11344 for example.

 

[Tommy Wylie]

Yes LNB Frequency is set to 9.75/10.6.

As I mentioned, despite the apparent offset, I now have all available channels in good quality. Thank you to all of you who gave advice.

 

[Tururu]

Felicidades.

El ultimo recuento da 1490 canales de TV, radio y datos.
Astra a 19'2º Este (banda Ku), busqueda ciega y 119tp + red.

PD: Incluidos tp para demos 4K (UHD).

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Congratulations.

The last count of 1490 channels of TV, radio and data.
Astra to 19'2º East (Ku band), blind search and 119tp + network.

PS: Tp for demos including 4K (UHD).

 

[Channel Hopper]

Yes LNB Frequency is set to 9.75/10.6.

As I mentioned, despite the apparent offset, I now have all available channels in good quality. Thank you to all of you who gave advice.

How much was the offset ?