Ultimo 4k unicable question(s)

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I been having a look into this receiver's FBC capabilities and am a little confused.

From what I have read I need a Unicable LNB(obviously), a splitter and connections to the two tuner card's ports. 4 cables, yes? And if what I have read is correct I understand that each port corresponds to the four different bands, low band H, low band V, high band H and high band V allowing each port to record channels from 4 different transponder corresponding to the same band and polarization. Giving a total of 16 tuners across two dual FBC tuners. Have I understood that correctly?

What type of Unicable LNB do I need? Do I need the ones that are capable of feeding up to 32 receivers? Basically my questions boil down to what equipment do I need to make this all work? The on line manual for this receiver is not clear and poorly written. In fact it looks like someone has just used Google or something to translate from German to English.
 
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#2
You have 2 options, unicable LNB and normal LNB.
Total band and polarity freedom with unicable LNB
To feed the 2 cards, you need a LNB of 16SCR, better one of 24SCR and you have for more decos.
They are very cheap, from 40 to 60€uros postage.
You are in an error, it does not work as you indicate.
Each tuner is configured to work with an SCR, it asks for the channel and it sends it to them, thus all the tuners.
It does not matter what band and polarity you need.

With the 2 cards needed, a splitter 1x2 with power supply to connect the 2 tuner.
Then using the internal loop that you have to service the second tuner without more cables / connections.
From the start you can operate it with a normal LNB, with a single cable,
The first tuner feeds the installation and the rest are slaves of the band and polarity of the master.

It is 3 years worked with this receiver, one more point, minimum SR 2000 guaranteed, it is a limitation of VU +.
The quality of the tuner is very good, in Astra at 28'2ºE it works best with 11053 of the ones I have.
The unicable LNB is not valid for blind searches.
Normal searches well.
If you have receivers with blind search, you would need another antenna or put a mixed LNB. but with more than 4SCR you do not have mixed.
I forgot, in this receiver the blind search does not work, it is in pending tasks.
Apologies for the translation.
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Tienes 2 opciones, LNB unicable y LNB normal.
Libertad total de banda y polaridad con LNB unicable
PAra alimentar las 2 tarjetas, necesitas un LNB de 16SCR, mejor uno de 24SCR y tienes para mas decos.
Son muy baratos, de 40 a 60€uros + portes.
Estas en un error, no funciona como indicas.
Cada tuner se configura para funcionar con un SCR, le pide el canal y este se lo manda, asi todos los tuner.
Da igual la banda y polaridad que necesites.

Con las 2 tarjetas necesitarias un repartidor/splitter 1x2 con paso de alimentacion para conectar los 2 tuner.
Luego usando le bucle interno que tienen le das servicio a los segundos tuner sin mas cables/conexiones.

De entrada lo puedes hacer funcionar con un LNB normal, con un solo cable,
El primer tuner alimenta la instalacion y el resto son esclavos de la banda y polaridad del master.

Son 3 años funcionado con este receptor, un apunte mas, SR minimo 2000 garantizado, es una limitacion de VU+.
La calidad del tuner es muy buena, en Astra a 28'2ºE es el que mejor funciona con 11053 de los que tengo.
El LNB unicable no vale para hacer busquedas ciegas.
Busquedas normales bien.
Si tienes receptores con busqueda ciega, necesitarias otra antena o poner un LNB mixto. pero con mas de 4SCR no tienes mixtos.
Se me olvido, en este receptor no funciona la busqueda ciega, esta en tareas pendientes.


If you use a tuner, you have an active SCR channel, so they turn on as you use them, here you see a picture of what goes down the cable when you use 10 tuner.
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Si usas un tuner, tienes un canal SCR activo, asi se encienden segun los usas, aqui ves una foto de lo que baja por el cable cuando usas 10 tuner.

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A unicable LNB of 4SCR+1 or 2 or 3 normal outputs (Legacy / Inherited) of 40-80 €.
The models that are sold already programmed.
From 4SCR 40€-60€.
8SCR's are no longer marketed for years/ya no se comercializan desde hace años.
From 24SCR 40€-60€.
From 32SCR 40€-60€.

Inverto 0'7dB noise figure all. :N
Megasat Unicable II LNB Diavolo 24SCR 0'1dB noise figure :-rofl2 tururu.
Opticum RED 0'1dB noise figure :Y 4SCR+2Legacy
 
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#3
I have seen pictures of the FBC DVB-S2 cards. Both ports on the card says LNB IN. I just need to attach a cable to just one of the ports on the card and they have an internal passthrough so I don't need to connect two cables that is just for normal LNBs? Have I understood you correctly?
 
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I have seen pictures of the FBC DVB-S2 cards. Both ports on the card says LNB IN. I just need to attach a cable to just one of the ports on the card and they have an internal passthrough so I don't need to connect two cables that is just for normal LNBs? Have I understood you correctly?
Yeah that's right.
The cable is connected to the top of Tuner A (for example).
Internally internal loop is configured that connects tuner B with tuner A.
Similar to Tuner B and Tuner D, that's why you need a 1x2 splitter to connect to Tuner A and Tuner C
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Si es correcto.
El cable se conecta a la boca de arriba Tuner A (por ejemplo).
Internamente se configura bucle interno que conecta el tuner B con el tuner A.
Similar con el Tuner B y Tuner D, por eso necesitas un splitter de 1x2 para conectar al Tuner A y al Tuner C

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DB800S-HD VU+DUO2, VU+Ultimo4K, TBS5925, OctagonSX88.
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#6
If it is valid.
I reviewed it a long time ago, but I dismissed it as expensive.
You have 24SCR (there are 8 free)+3Legacy, to use with receivers that do not support unicable/old.

You will comment that such and if it meets the noise figure of 0'1dB
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Si es valido.
Lo revise hace tiempo, pero lo descarte por caro.
Tienes 24SCR (quedan 8 libres)+3Legacy, para usar con receptores que no soporten unicable/viejos.

Ya comentaras que tal y si cumple la figura de ruido de 0'1dB
 
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Thanks for your help Tururu.. Why I want legacy ports is because I might want to run a multi twin LNB set up on tuner slot C on the Ultimo 4K. That is if I go for that receiver.

Just window shopping at present.
 
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#8
Have used few of that particular LNB, worked fine on standard SCR with my meter, so should be fine for your tuner cards, However, didn't get on with the later SCR version which Sky Q boxes use, some worked, some didn't, so ended up replacing them with wideband LNBs and Triax dSCRs. Shouldn't be an issue for you though with non-Sky boxes.
 
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#9
As it is not a sky receiver, there is no problem.
You can configure the data by hand in the receiver sky rolfw ?? curiosity.

3 years ago in the VU + Ultimo4K I had to configure the used lnb by hand.
I added it to the unicable.xml file and did not have to work with the version changes.
I have ... 2 installations, one 2+DTT and the other 1+DTT.
12tuner (A + B + C) Astra 19'2ºE.
4 tuner (D) DiSEqC 4x1. Astra19E + Hot Bird13E + Astra28'2ºE + Hispasat.

With DVB-S2.
8tuner (A + B.) Astra 19'2ºE.
4 tuner (C) DiSEqC Astra19E + Hot Bird13E + Astra28'2ºE + Hispasat.
4 tuner (D), antenna with motor.
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Como no es un receptor sky, no hay problema.
Se pueden configurar los datos a mano en el receptor sky rolfw ?? curiosidad.

Hace 3 años en el VU+Ultimo4K me toco configurar a mano el lnb usado.
Lo añadi al fichero unicable.xml y no tener que currar con los cambios de version.
Tengo... 2 instalaciones, uno 2+TDT y el otro 1+TDT.

12tuner (A+B+C) Astra 19'2ºE.
4 tuner (D) DiSEqC 4x1. Astra19E+Hot Bird13E+Astra28'2ºE+Hispasat.

Con DVB-S2X
8tuner (A+B.) Astra 19'2ºE.
4 tuner (C) DiSEqC Astra19E+Hot Bird13E+Astra28'2ºE+Hispasat.
4 tuner (D), antena con motor.
 
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I was thinking about having a 80cm dish installed for 28.2, 19.2 and 13E and using the currently install mini dish for 9E. Will the mini dish work okay with 9E or is it too small?
 
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Recycled as the owner.
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@daro2096
This post deals with the options and configuration of the VU + Ultimo4K receiver.
What you are saying you are already dealing with in this other post.

Read the comrades carefully, thank you.
Receiving eutelsat 9e in combination with hotbird, astra 1, astra 2 triax 78cm - SatsUK
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Este post trata de las opciones y configuracion del receptor VU+Ultimo4K.
Lo que comentas ya lo estas tratando en este otro post.

Lee detenidamente a los compañeros, gracias.
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As it is not a sky receiver, there is no problem.
You can configure the data by hand in the receiver sky rolfw ?? curiosity.
No, unfortunately very little is configurable on a Sky Q box.:)
 
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#13
Similar with Movistar+ boxes
 
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Will wideband LNBs connected to unicable multiswitches work on this receiver? Would be nice to receive 4 satellite positions but it isn't essential. Looking at the Inverto equipment.
 
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Currently 55 satellites, 61°West to 57°East.

DB800S-HD VU+DUO2, VU+Ultimo4K, TBS5925, OctagonSX88.
Recycled as the owner.
My Location
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Will wideband LNBs connected to unicable multiswitches work on this receiver? Would be nice to receive 4 satellite positions but it isn't essential. Looking at the Inverto equipment.
Which one?
Curiosity?
Say ... without saying anything, it is necessary to make a standard query. ??
I say it for putting the same in this and in another post, apart from being a German store and not saying anything.
Inverto Unicable multi switch and two wideband LNBs
My Wavefrontier T90 install (with pictures) - SatsUK
I do not know what model you look at, in general.
It is an update that I prepare Inverto and other companies to make the jump to installations with unicable tuners, you only change the multiswitched control unit.
The rest is not touched.
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Cual?
Curiosidad?
Decir .... sin decir nada, es necesario hacer una consulta estandar.??
Lo digo por poner lo mismo en este y en otro post, aparte de ser una tienda alemana y no decir nada.
Inverto Unicable multi switch and two wideband LNBs
My Wavefrontier T90 install (with pictures) - SatsUK
En este post preguntas.
No se que modelo miras, en general.
Es una actualizacion que preparo Inverto y otras empresas para hacer el salto a instalaciones con sintonizadores unicable, solo cambias la centralita multiconmutada.
El resto no se toca.

What equipment will it be? what lnb? I'm pregnant. ??:-rofl2

PS: Apologies for the translation.
 
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Recycled as the owner.
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#17
Yo tampoco entiendo ingles/I do not understand English either.

Son equipos programados por el vendedor, ya vi una version italiana hace años.
Cada conmutador usa un lnb de 4 salidas (banda/polaridad), si lo tienes bien, si lo tienes que comprar, como es mas barato comprar 2LNB de 2 salidas, avisa lo que quieres poner para programar los equipos al nuevo LNB.

No indican que SCR usan para cada satelite, el italiano que vi si, pongamos que lo mismo.
El conmutador A se configura...
4SCR (1 al 4) para receptores viejos y modernos segun norma EN50494 y/o EN50607.
4 SCR (9-13) para receptores modernos, solo norma EN50607

El conmutador B se configura...
4SCR (5 al 8) para receptores viejos y modernos segun norma EN50494 y/o EN50607.
4 SCR (14-18) para receptores modernos, solo norma EN50607

Cada LNB apunta al satelite que quieres y tema solucionado.
En la web del fabricante tienes la documentacion del conmutador en ingles para leer.

Hasta 16SCR tienes para programar sin usar, el programador son 150€uros por si quieres jugar con estos equipos.
Solo validos para receptores modernos que soporten norma EN50607.
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They are equipment programmed by the seller, I've seen an Italian version for years.
Each switch uses a lnb of 4 outputs (band/polarity), if you have it right, if you have to buy it, as it is cheaper to buy 2LNB out of 2 outputs, notify what you want to put to program the equipment to the new LNB.

They do not indicate which SCR they use for each satellite, the Italian that I saw if, say the same thing.
Switch A is configured ...
4SCR (1 to 4) for old and modern receivers according to standard EN50494 and/or EN50607.
4 SCR (9-13) for modern receivers, only standard EN50607

Switch B is configured ...
4SCR (5 to 8) for old and modern receivers according to standard EN50494 and/or EN50607.
4 SCR (14-18) for modern receivers, only standard EN50607

Each LNB points to the satellite you want and subject solved.
On the website of the manufacturer you have the documentation of the switch in English to read.

Up to 16SCR you have to program without using, the programmer is 150€ uros if you want to play with these equipment.
Only valid for modern receivers that support standard EN50607.

IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P

PD: Como siempre se admiten errores, de estos temas no tengo ni idea², pero no soy el unico, suerte.
 
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I think the two multi switches are combined using a combiner switch. One is connected to IF1 and the another to IF2 and both share the 32 channels. multi switch 1 has Astra 28.2E(A) and Astra 19.2E(:cool:(to IF1) and multi switch 2 has Hotbird 13E(C) and Eutelsat 9E(D)(to IF2) connected for example. The receiver's tuners are configured for port A, B, C, and D. If I record 2 from Astra 28.2 and 2 from 19.2E and 2 from 13E and 2 from 9E that would use 8 tuners on one card and use up 8 of the available channels on the multi switches. Channels 1 through 4 would be on multiswitch 1 and channels 5 through 8 on multi switch 2. I could then on a second fbc card record another 8 channels from Astra 28.2E and use up channels 9 to 16 on multi switch 1 in this example. With a second receiver with 2 fbc cards I could record another 16 channels from either of the two multi switches using up channels 17 to 32 all at the same time. Though this is an extreme example.

I think that is correct. I am no expert but from what I have read and watched I think that is the general gist. The multi switches come with their own power supplies in case the receiver is not capable of powering the multi switch(es).
 
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I think the two multi switches are combined using a combiner switch. One is connected to IF1 and the another to IF2 and both share the 32 channels.
Un conmutador es un DiSEqC.
Un combinador es un splitter con paso de alimentacion, necesario para el control y funcionamiento.
Mezclador/separador, vale para lo mismo.
Como queda el tema .???

Splitter (foto)

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A switch is a DiSEqC.
A combiner is a splitter with power supply, necessary for control and operation.
Mixer/separator, good for the same.
How is the theme?

Splitter (photo)
 
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#20
Does this receiver work if I use the two FBC cards as normal tuners(2 tuners per card) plus a third DVBs2 twin card in slot C(6 tuners)? Would that work or is there a limit on the number of internal tuners?
 
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