Using a echostar ad-3000ip viaccess with a smw q-pll quad lnb type r

[dreambox1959]

Yes, that is the option I would go for.
Forget the SMW LNB and use a WR75 to C120 adapter then fit an Invacom C120 LNB with twin probes. It is much easier to manage for scanning

maybe wr75 to c120 is optional it s also good without it !

 

[subman]

Hi Guys thanks for the feed back from every one , Well I know many people who use the forum they all use SMW LNBs so I dont think there is a problem , The main thing is does the LNB work and the answer is yes as if I connect my sat meter the WS-7009 and put it in channel scan it comes up with hundreds of channels so . The plan is to use the Echorstar to move the dish and Skew as for feeds I might just plug in the C band feed . As for ku feed that will go into the TM-5402 assuming that the SMW will work with it .

If we dump the AD3000 I am going to need some way to move the dish + skew that brings us back to a second hand ADC1 or if it is found for some strange reason the SMW Lnb cannot be used with any of my other receivers then I would go back to my old Lnb since we know that works Sig level is down a bit same as Q but its not doing bad for a 29 year old Lnb . If I did not have a working LNB then I might think about adapter but I have 2 so I think I will stick with the ones I have not forgetting this is mounting straight onto the corotor with no elbow .

Dreambox1959 are you sure you want this old corotor , Skew motor is a none runner and the corrosion is very bad all over in + out you only have to look at the waveguide . Attached picture

So once the Ku side is sorted out then I get the C band side sorted I still find it amazing that no body makers a Mpeg 2 /4 receiver with built in dish + Skew controller if you look all over the world on people houses your see motorised dish system cant believe they have lots of add on units .

But tomorrow I will give try all the Lnb settings and see if I can find Bootstrap Maste on H 12.303 . Once thats working next job is changing over the arms on the feed because at the moment the feed is about 4 inch high from the dish centre .

 

[dreambox1959]

Dreambox1959 are you sure you want this old corotor , Skew motor is a none runner and the corrosion is very bad all over in + out you only have to look at the waveguide . Attached picture

So once the Ku side is sorted out then I get the C band side sorted I still find it amazing that no body makers a Mpeg 2 /4 receiver with built in dish + Skew controller if you look all over the world on people houses your see motorised dish system cant believe they have lots of add on units .

But tomorrow I will give try all the Lnb settings and see if I can find Bootstrap Maste on H 12.303 . Once thats working next job is changing over the arms on the feed because at the moment the feed is about 4 inch high from the dish centre .

you have to know that i have many corotor part but no wideband model .
i have skew motor spare , an home made positioner with skew control , i think i can make a working corotor with two (yours and mine)

 

[Satfaca]

Subman, just note that you might want to need the dielectric plate in your new Corotor in order to receive circular C-band. Your old one has it.
There's no such thing as wideband Corotor model, it's just a branding name, all corotors can receive full C (3.4-4.8 GHz) & all Ku frequency band (10.70-12.75 GHz).

 

[subman]

Subman, just note that you might want to need the dielectric plate in your new Corotor in order to receive circular C-band. Your old one has it.
There's no such thing as wideband Corotor model, it's just a branding name, all corotors can receive full C (3.4-4.8 GHz) & all Ku frequency band (10.70-12.75 GHz).

Morning [B]dreambox1959 / Satfaca [/B]All ok on the Dialectric plate well that is some thing I will look into at a future date at the moment its down to changing the settings on the receiver for what type of Lnb is in use . But there are 8 settings and with a bit of luck might receive something then because at the moment only receiving signals on the meter .

Yes looking at the corotors there all not the same my old one is a 1989 up model the one you sold me was a 1990 up model . As for the Di-Electric Plate yes I can see it in a old catalogue not sure if my old one has it installed as looking down the neck into the feed I cant see any plate .

Anyway I will first see if I can get this receiver to work with this LNB and take it from there .

 

[moonbase]

The dielectric plate is the two white parts that are either side of the central rotating piece in your 5th picture in the above post.

 

[subman]

Morning MB Ok I think I now know what the Di-Electric Plate is ? Its the Dielectric Teflon slab thats a the top of the feed throat to receive Circular c-band, please note that using the included plate you will no longer receive Linear signals. I thought it was some sort of supporting brace that held the element in the centre of the feed .

 

[moonbase]

Morning MB Ok I think I now know what the Di-Electric Plate is ? Its the Dielectric Teflon slab thats a the top of the feed throat to receive Circular c-band, please note that using the included plate you will no longer receive Linear signals. I thought it was some sort of supporting brace that held the element in the centre of the feed .

In simple terms, the dielectric plate transforms the circular polarity signal into a linear polarity signal that can talk to the LNB probe.

 

[subman]

In simple terms, the dielectric plate transforms the circular polarity signal into a linear polarity signal that can talk to the LNB probe.

Understood if you go onto youtube you can see a few being stripped and being installed very fiddly to reinstall due to the key way on the shaft :

 

[moonbase]

Understood if you go onto youtube you can see a few being stripped and being installed very fiddly to reinstall due to the key way on the shaft :

For circular polarity C-Band signals I prefer a Polo Pipe rather than a dielectric plate. However with a 3.7m dish I think the signal loss incurred by insertion of a dielectric plate will have minimal impact.

 

[subman]

Well I have watched c band channels before with the old corotor and never had any problems , Just connect the scope to the LNB feed peak dish for best signal then do a scan with the receiver and there you go . Anyway this afternoon I will check the best settings on the ku Lnb but it maybe a case that the receiver wont work with this Lnb since the LNB goes from 10.70 - 12.75 and the best option on the receiver is 9.750 - 11.300 unless you can edit the Lnb settings on the receiver cant speak to my mates at SMW because there on holiday until mid Aug .

If you cant change the settings its going to be see if it works on the TM-5402 if thats a non runner then its back to reinstalling the old LNB .But I have a read of the manual on the TM-5402 and see what options there are for LNBs . but this Type R works very well with the meter connected with about 400 channels .

 

[ozumo]

You can edit the LNB settings on the Echostar, but as you can only have 2 LOs per LNB setting you'll need to spread it over two, possibly three 'LNB types'.

On the Technomate I believe a blind scan will cover all the LOs, However many of the resulting frequencies found will be wrong but it will scan the whole range. You'll also need to use the Echostar to control the polarisation, a blind scan on the Technomate will only scan the polarisation the Echostar is set to.

It's going to be a faff, the LNB suggestion by moonbase will make it much simpler

 

[moonbase]

It's going to be a faff, the LNB suggestion by moonbase will make it much simpler

An Invacom quad output twin probe LNB connected via a WR75 to C120 adapter means you need only one LNB setting for the LO in a Technomate or the Echostar.

Even if the Echostar is used for moving the dish and controlling the skew, the Technomate will still be used to get both DVB-S and DVB-S2 channels. It will be able to scan both H and V polarity without having to use the skew control and will scan the full band.

 

[Satfaca]

Subman, I cannot recall but ... does AD300IP support the 22kHz Tone switch at all? If not, you surely cannot control the "universal" LNB, only old wideband LNBs like your previous one ( I assume it was the Echostar 1.1 dB bku2353 fullband LN.
These "old type" used 13V/18V to switch between the low & hi bands while universal LNBs use the 22kHz tone for that; and in the universals 13V/18V is used for the polarity switch (H/V).

Anyway, I suggested you appropriate LNBs before (here) but you took more "complicated" and more expensive approach with the SMW. The Invacom and NJRC LNBs do have WR-75 waveguide and don't need any adapter to be fitted onto a corotor.

 

[subman]

Thanks Guys for all your feed back its all been noted as been trying all lnb settings from Universal to number 8 . Before I start with what I have found let me confirm the AD300IP does support 22 Khz .Regarding buying a Invacom quad output twin probe LNB I already have the old Quad band LNB so if all fails I will use that .
So this is what I have found so far trying all LNB settings .

Type 1 Universal Zero Channels found .
Type 2 5150 - 5150 Zero Channels found
Type 3 9750 - 10750 11 Channels found
Type 4 9750 - 10600 4 Channels found
Type 5 9750 - 10750 11 Channels found
Type 6 11.300 - 11.300 Zero Channels found
Type 7 10.000 - 10.000 4 channels found
Type 8 9750 - 11.300 27 channels found with a few in Mpeg2 plus the Master strap channel on 12.303 H .From looking at the list on what is on Astra 4A I dont think any of these channels will show up in a Auto Search but the corotor is fine switching from Hoz + Vert but I will have a look at the TM-5402 and give it a search on that so will need to have a read up on the manual on what the LNB settings on that are .But the plan was to use the Echostar for C band and the TM-5402 for Ku .I would plug both receivers into there HDMI slots on the TV so I can do picture on picture so I can adjust one while looking at the other . As for the SMW Type R it seems to be working fine and just had a email from them asking me to return to them and they will test and return for free thats when they returned from there summer holiday I will ask them the best route to take with the Type R but I bought it for £400 and it does seem to work better than the old one .So wait and see .

So we are making progress and if need be the next will be to see what I can receive on the TM-5402 . The main thing is this dish side of things is all working ok except the feed arms will be changed out .

Ozumo
"On the Technomate I believe a blind scan will cover all the LOs, However many of the resulting frequencies found will be wrong but it will scan the whole range. You'll also need to use the Echostar to control the polarisation, a blind scan on the Technomate will only scan the polarisation the Echostar is set to "
Yes this is the plan however if the Echorstar cant be used then its down to some other way of moving then dish + skew like buying a second hand ADC1 .

MB
As for changing over to using a "An Invacom quad output twin probe LNB connected via a WR75 to C120 adapter means you need only one LNB setting for the LO in a Technomate or the Echostar. I will explore all routes before I buy any more parts as there is no reason why it should not work even using the old LNB .

I have attached the settings for Type 8 LNB these seem to work with 26 channels .

Any of you know how to upgrade the firmware on a Satllink meter I am assuming you down load the firmware onto your USB stick then plug it into the USB port on the meter .The firmware on this meter is 2014 and they did bring out 2019 version .

Many thanks to everyone feed back .

 

[ozumo]

The Echostar doesn't have any form of blind scan, it will only scan the transponders already in its database. There will be very few transponders whose parameters haven't changed over the years, and even fewer with the DVB-S mpeg 2 signal that the Echostar can tune. As a receiver for watching TV I'd say forget it, perfectly fine for moving the dish though.

On your Type 8 settings change the freq. low to 10000. This will give you 10950-11700mhz & 12250-12750mhz. If you advised SMW of your system and they recommended this LNB then that's poor service on their behalf.

The Technomate will do C band perfectly fine, no need for separate receiver.

 

[subman]

Hi Ozumo thanks for the reply all ok on the Echostar data base yes I was thinking that but when I did search with the old LNB there was a channals more than just 27 but I never found any channel that were in the clear only encrypted ones .

Which brings me to my Satllink meter the data base on that is 2014 but that receives a few hundred but I will take a note of channals and freqs the skew is working fine . But I will see what I can get out of the old Echostar I do have a spare receiver and if need be install the old Lnb .

Yes I will do a blind scan with the TM-5402 but have lots of options , No SMW did not advise me to buy this LNB I saw the coverage and seem to be ok I did not think there would be a problem with the receiver . Thanks again for your help .

Yes I thought it might be best to use the Echostar for C band and use the TM-5402 for ku, If however the Echostar is found to be not suitable then find some other way to move the dish + skew I think the only option there was the ADC1 . Never had a play with the TM-5402 so should be fun but the fun starts looking at 2 screens on the screen and remembering which one goes to which receiver

 

[jeallen01]

Maybe the solution might be a "V-Box" which you connect to a modern Rx - that sends DiSEqC position commands to the "V-Box", which then converts them to the "old gen" signals that a "traditional" 36V motor understands?

OTOH, finding a "reliable" V-Box seems to be a matter of some "luck" as there have been a few reports of them failing "prematurely"

 

[moonbase]

...Yes I thought it might be best to use the Echostar for C band...

There are a lot of C-Band signals in DVB-S2 that the Echostar will not detect. The Technomate is capable of detecting C-Band and Ku-Band signals in DVB-S and DVB-S2 and has blind scan capability.

 

[moonbase]

Maybe the solution might be a "V-Box" which you connect to a modern Rx - that sends DiSEqC position commands to the "V-Box", which then converts them to the "old gen" signals that a "traditional" 36V motor understands?

OTOH, finding a "reliable" V-Box seems to be a matter of some "luck" as there have been a few reports of them failing "prematurely"

The two obvious units that are capable of all motorisation aspects needed are the Titanium ASC1 and the Research Concepts RC2000. The cleanest solution I can think of is to use a Titanium ASC1 for dish motorisation control including skew and the Technomate for scanning/viewing channels.

The Titanium ASC1 is also DiSeqC capable allowing channel selection on the Technomate to automatically move the dish to the correct satellite.