What do we reckon to this dodgy petrol then

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the_happy_traveller said:
Not quite, some of the higher performance engines need a higher octane rating to run.
My own van (VW VR6) needs 98 octane minimum. Anything less and it won't run right.
As long as you use the minimum required, anything else is a waste of money.
Fortunately for you, the trusty 2CV needs nothing as complicated as this but it would still run on it no problem.

A 2CV with a 602cc engine can drink anything between Four Star (if it's still in existance) and Ethanol, and even LPG after a very simple conversion... :p
 

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How many more guesses are the press going to have about this topic? two days ago an engine specialist reported that the only thing that could affect the oxygen sensors sufficiently to render it useless was silicone in an acetic acid base, the type you put round the edge of the bath to stop leaks of water, it has just been announced that they have just identified silicone as the culprit which by coincidence is what the tanker carried before it carried the petrol. Or is this yet another case of misreporting. How do these news creators get away with all this speculative bulls**t. It seems to me that news reporting has become like marketing....... 10% optimism 90% speculation:cool:
 

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the_happy_traveller said:
Unleaded is 95 octane
Super is 98 octane
The specialists, Shell V-power etc is 99 octane.

Yes, my old Golf GTI needs 98 ron, but I have to travel miles to find super unleaded. I just add a squirt of Castrol octane booster/ lead additive with every fill-up to keep it sweet.

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There also seems to be confusion between silicon and silicone

Silicon is what your CPU is made of.

Silicone is breast implants (amongst other things).

Some papers are reporting it is Silicon, people are saying silicone, nobody seems to know, and it probably doesn’t matter - except it determining where it came from.

2CV - 4star hasn't been sold in the UK for many years now. Even LRP (lead replacement petrol) isn't sold in most petrol stations, if someone has a lead only car they need to buy a little bottle of the 'lead-free' lead additive Llew mentions and add it to the tank before putting unleaded in.
 

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PoloMint said:
2CV - 4star hasn't been sold in the UK for many years now. Even LRP (lead replacement petrol) isn't sold in most petrol stations, if someone has a lead only car they need to buy a little bottle of the 'lead-free' lead additive Llew mentions and add it to the tank before putting unleaded in.

I haven't seen many Lead-only cars since the withdrawal of Four Star and since LRP vanished from the forcourts, poor old chuggers, just cos they use an older type of fuel has meant most have been scrapped... :(
 

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I've seen a few people around here use the lead additive stuff before filling, so I guess they are leaded only cars. Mostly old foreign cars, but not old enough to be classics, more like wrecks that I'm surprised are still roadworthy.
 

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PoloMint said:
Some papers are reporting it is Silicon, people are saying silicone, nobody seems to know, and it probably doesn’t matter - except it determining where it came from.

......in other words "Which silcon put it it in " - or should that be silicone? :-lmao
 

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According to ceefax, Morrisons have stopped selling petrol at a large number of outlets and Tescos are emptying all their tanks having found silicone in them from their own tests. They intend to re-fill with fresh supplies.
 

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It is silicon which has been found in one of the storage tanks, it is apparently used to prevent foaming in diesel.

Tesco have also now stopped selling unleaded and are having their tanks emptied.


No wonder the public are confused, this is a quote from the Telegraph online.

[fieldset=Telegraph]The petrol contamination scare which has caused hundreds of cars in the South East to break down may be caused by silicone, it emerged today.

The contaminated petrol is reported to affect fuel sensors
The contaminated petrol is reported to affect fuel sensors

It is understood that the element - which should not be in petrol - has been detected in the fuel tanks of some of the affected vehicles. This may explain why they have been juddering and misfiring.

Testing agencies have not yet revealed in how many cars silicone has been found, or in what amounts. It is just one possible explanation for the contamination, the AA told Telegraph.co.uk.

Silicone has many industrial uses. In its basic form it is used in semi-conductors, and its compounds including silica are used to form glasses, cements, ceramics and lubricants.

Given the spread of petrol stations affected by the contaminated fuel, silicon would have to have entered the petrol at some point in the supply chain.[/fieldset]

And from the Independent.

[fieldset=Independent] Silicon found to be rogue element in petrol
By Barrie Clement, Transport Editor
Published: 03 March 2007

Scientists have pinned the blame on silicon as the rogue ingredient in petrol that has led to thousands of cars "hiccuping, juddering and misfiring".

The Trading Standards Institute said last night that a sample of unleaded fuel from a motorist in Cambridgeshire whose car had broken down showed that the element was present.

Silicon products are used as "anti-foaming agents" in diesel, but they can cause "serious problems" in petrol engines, particularly in modern vehicles with computerised fuel management systems, the institute said.

Trading Standards officers were now working with supermarket chains to ensure that motorists get "proper redress". They are also checking to find out how and why the petrol was contaminated. The institute's helpline had received 2,500 calls from concerned drivers. Geoffery Theobald, a local authority representative, said that motorists have a right to be "angry" over the problem.

Car makers were forced to send more spare parts after motorists complained.

Renault, Peugeot, Mercedes Benz and Citroën have made special orders for more oxygen sensors to replace those apparently damaged by "faulty" petrol. The delicate sensors have been affected by the tainted petrol causing engine management systems to switch to emergency settings.

Contaminated fuel is thought to have been supplied by Royal Vopak in the Thames Estuary at West Thurrock, Essex. It is used by at least two companies: Greenergy, which supplies Tesco and Morrisons, and Harvest Energy, which supplies Asda.[/fieldset]
 

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Perhaps the Indepenedent would like to read this

Chemical terminology

Silicone is often mistakenly referred to as "silicon". Although silicones contain silicon atoms, they are not made up exclusively of silicon, and have completely different physical characteristics from elemental silicon.

The word "silicone" is derived from ketone. Dimethylsilicone and dimethyl ketone (a.k.a. acetone) have analogous formulas, thus it was surmised incorrectly that they have analogous structures. The same terminology is used for compounds such as silane (an analogue of methane). A true silicone group with a double bond between oxygen and silicon does not exist (see figure). Polysiloxanes are called "silicone" due to early mistaken assumptions about their structure.
 

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Heard Quintin Wilson on the BBC this morning say it serves everyone right for buying cheap petrol! The supermarkets don't use such stringent storage and distribution methods as the big comapnies like BP etc.

What a load of rubbish - If I remember correct, Shell had a problem with their petrol and Vauxhall?
 

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gameboy said:
Heard Quintin Wilson on the BBC this morning say it serves everyone right for buying cheap petrol!


What a ridiculous statement ......and it's cheaper, not cheap. It is supposed to be fit for purpose, and not be the cause of a garage repair bill.
 

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gameboy said:
Heard Quintin Wilson on the BBC this morning say it serves everyone right for buying cheap petrol! The supermarkets don't use such stringent storage and distribution methods as the big comapnies like BP etc.

What a load of rubbish - If I remember correct, Shell had a problem with their petrol and Vauxhall?

Just another of this supposed 'motoring expert's' comments that are a load of rubbish, just like some of his comments on imported cars 'O'-red
 
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