Astra 3B at 23.5°E

[Archive7]

I am interested in receiving the Astra 3B at 23.5E mainly because of the Dutch M7 package subscription possibility.
Astra 3B at 23.5°E - LyngSat
The footprint looks OK over Israel with 1.6m dish and with Europe Wide FP.
Astra 3B at 23.5°E - LyngSat Maps
But when I asked my satellite dish installer few months ago to add this satellite to my dish, he said that he is not familiar with it and instead he added 7E as it was easier for him.
I want to ask him again to come and give it another try, but from your experience is there any reason why it can be difficult to lock on the satellite?
Which is the strongest TP on this satellite?
Thanks for your comments.

 

[mariust5]

A bit off topic but if someone asked me to find a particular satellite and i say i install you a different one because it's easier for me .. i would not call myself a satellite installer anymore

Like you say , the footprint looks ok but if the Lnb is in focus of the dish and not offset .
What size is your dish and where is focus at the moment ?

 

[Captain Jack]

With that footprint (assuming it's correct), I would say you could get away with a good 1m dish with the LNB in focus in good weather (which, I understand, is in abundance in Israel). A 1.2m will certainly get it.

 

[Archive7]

A bit off topic but if someone asked me to find a particular satellite and i say i install you a different one because it's easier for me .. i would not call myself a satellite installer anymore

Like you say , the footprint looks ok but if the Lnb is in focus of the dish and not offset .
What size is your dish and where is focus at the moment ?

The guy is a professional installer he has done hundreds of installations if not thousands and is highly respected by all his customers.
The problem that he had with my dish is that my building is surrounded by high rise buildings that could have made it impossible for him to locate the satellite, although he got me 19.2E 1M few years ago without a problem and 23.5E should be quite near but still he couldn't locate it on that particular day.
Also in Israel his customers ask mainly for Amos and Nilesat and the odd ones like myself ask for special satellites which he is not familiar with.
I am not trying to find excuse for him but he is the only reliable installer that I know.
The dish size is 1.6m and the initial focus was for HotBird 13E many years ago. Then he added Astra 19.2E, 9E and 7E.

 

[Archive7]

With that footprint (assuming it's correct), I would say you could get away with a good 1m dish with the LNB in focus in good weather (which, I understand, is in abundance in Israel). A 1.2m will certainly get it.

I want to use the present 1.6m dish and not install another dish if I can help it. Do you think this would be possible?
I can ask him to take away the 9E LNB but leave Astra 19.2E and 7E if that would help to lock on 23.5E.

 

[Captain Jack]

I'd say it should just be possible to get 23.5E with focus on 13E - won't know until you try it!

 

[a33]

Easy to find 23E transponder: 12168V, QPSK, 27500
see e.g. Triax 88 4LBNs uitrichten

greetz,
A33

 

[Archive7]

Easy to find 23E transponder: 12168V, QPSK, 27500
see e.g. Triax 88 4LBNs uitrichten

greetz,
A33

Thanks A33.
I have a similar bracket but my installer prefers to use his own methods for mounting LNBs. So far they have been quite stable.
As you live in NL, and presumably you have a Dutch subscription, is the M7 packages worth subscribing to?
I am thinking of the Entertainment package using the CI+ Module.

 

[a33]

As you live in NL, and presumably you have a Dutch subscription, is the M7 packages worth subscribing to?

Well, I only have the most basic subscription for the dutch channels, so I cannot really comment on that.
For the rest we mainly watch german and english FTA (19E and 28E), and italian FTA and subscription (13E) at our home.
Have you also checked the dutch packages from Joyne, at 9E? Their footprint seems to be bigger than 23E, I read.

Greetz,
A33

 

[Archive7]

Have you also checked the dutch packages from Joyne, at 9E? Their footprint seems to be bigger than 23E, I read.

I don't get many channels from 9E. It could be because of the 7E LNB being too close.
I am interested in M7 because I found out that TV Corner can sell the M7 packages without the need for a Dutch ID, at least they don't mention any restrictions in this regards. But they do mention that for the Sky Italy one needs an Italian ID.

 

[a33]

I don't get many channels from 9E. It could be because of the 7E LNB being too close.
I am interested in M7 because I found out that TV Corner can sell the M7 packages without the need for a Dutch ID, at least they don't mention any restrictions in this regards. But they do mention that for the Sky Italy one needs an Italian ID.

For subscription of Tivusat/italian channels, see e.g. : Advice Needed - I need to replace 96yr old ladies Sat box

Did you check the Joyne frequencies recently? As they are not active that long.
Frequencies, see "download PDF" at Zenderoverzicht

Greetz,
A33

Edit: Are you a "subtitles guru", as it says at your avatar? How come/ what does it mean?

 

[Archive7]

For subscription of Tivusat/italian channels, see e.g. : Advice Needed - I need to replace 96yr old ladies Sat box

Did you check the Joyne frequencies recently? As they are not active that long.
Frequencies, see "download PDF" at Zenderoverzicht

Greetz,
A33

Edit: Are you a "subtitles guru", as it says at your avatar? How come/ what does it mean?

I think I did a scan few days ago but got nothing. Will try it again after an hour. But they don't have Mezzo Live and Classica TV channels which are my main interest in M7.
But even if I do get it, I don't know if I can get a subscription to Joyne, while TV Corner seems to be able to offer it for M7.

As for my title, it means I make use of subtitles that some channels transmit and translate them into English in order to enjoy the programs better.
I have recently uploaded a tutorial to YouTube. You can read about it in this thread.
Just Sharing This - Adding Subtitles to a *.ts Recorded File

 

[Archive7]

Apparently the Canal Digitaal subscription includes Mezzo HD but it is available only on Astra 19.2E Europe beam which I can't receive in my location and NOT on 23.5E.
I see no point now in pointing to 23.5E.

 

[a33]

Well, bad luck!

 

[Archive7]

Well, bad luck!

There is still some hope I think.
I checked again and the Mezzo HD is on the Astra 19.2E 1M Europe Widebeam. It is already in my channels list just need a subscription to Canal Digitaal to be able to watch it. I need my 1.6m dish to point to 23.5E as well in order to get the smartcard activation signal from channel NPO 1 HD.
In fact most of the channels in the package are on 23.5E and I can certainly make do without the channels coming from Astrs 19.2E.
I found this monoblock LNB. Do you think it will make life easier for my dish installer to get 23.5E or should he use an additional LNB for 23.5E?
I can order it once I get confirmation that I can subscribe to Canal Digitaal.
https://www.amazon.de/König-Single-Monoblock-Grad-Astra-TV-Gerät/dp/B00XPUY7F6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1521644993&sr=8-3&keywords=lnb+19.2+23.5&dpID=313duiO66yL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

 

[a33]

The bigger the dish, the more important the exact positioning of the LNBs in a multifeed setup.
With monoblocks, the distance cannot be adjusted.

So I only use a monoblock if the needed LNB distance is too short, to use two separate LNBs.
In your case that only would be a problem, I guess, if your 1.6m dish is a PrimeFocus, with very low f/D ratio.

And such a monoblock is usually designed for a 80 cm offset dish (f/D about 0.6-0.65), region Middle Europe; so you would have to calculate and check whether it would fit your purpose. (That is always the case with monoblock LNBs; they come in all sorts of sizes, sometimes even with skewed internal antennas!)

What makes a multifeed setup easier, is to calculate the angle of the multifeedrail (against the horizontal) beforehand; so that finding the position for the second LNB is a matter of uni-dimensional sliding the LNB along the pre-adjusted multifeedrail, instead of trying to find the needed distances both horizontally and vertically.

greetz,
A33

 

[Archive7]

Thanks a lot a33 for your detailed explanation with regards to the monoblock LNB.
Canal Digitaal will not let me subscribe to their services unless I have a Dutch address and a Dutch bank account, so this is the end of this project.
I can still watch Mezzo SD on 7E, but I was hoping to get a better video quality.

 

[Channel Hopper]

Mezzo is on plenty of terrestrial platforms in ME, though you would have to check on which puts/would put out the HD version.

ECOnet :: Channels

Hot (Israel) - Wikipedia

Cable Vision - Channel Details

 

[Archive7]

Mezzo is on plenty of terrestrial platforms in ME, though you would have to check on which puts/would put out the HD version.

None

 

[Channel Hopper]

You're not looking hard enough.