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I wanted to pipe through from my satellite gear in my man cave to other TV's in the house in HD without having to run any more cables and using AV senders which never work properly. I found this very reasonably priced HD modultor from Technomate (£130) most of the others available are very expensive. I have just used a a spare co-ax going up to my loftbox and and with a HDMI splitter, to feed the existing TV and the modulator at the same time it all works well, just retune your Freesat Channels and up it pops. You can set a channel name, I used 'SATELLITE' and select a channel number, I used 99 and also select what UHF channel you want to distribute the signal on , I used channel 60. Great HD
 

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.......... without having to run any more cables and using AV senders which never work properly. .........

Nice info and good result, thank you. respect-048.gif

This 'Sender' working at 5.8 Ghz seemed to give a more consistent result..............rarely used these days!

Enjoy your weekend.

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It doesn't send hdmi up the cable though, the output is DVB-T, not T2. But if the picture is good at the final destination then who cares.
 

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I've been very tempted to try out a digital modulator now they are coming down in price. The downside is that they all seem to use MPEG4, even for SD, so older TVs won't decode the signals although not such an issue if you only want to send HD of course.
 

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I tried to find some specification for this device without any success. Can you set T/T2, FEC, bitrate etc ? I mean it should be possible to have a device with several HDMI inputs and have one output stream T or T2 ...Professional equipment maybe...
 

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Solo DVB-T.
Esta semana ajuste un Rover HDR-10 para un amigo, es similar.
La calidad.?
Casi se ve como la señal original HD por HDMI en la TV, pero un poco mas borrosa, no tiene la misma definicion.
La salida RF se ajusta digitalmente, da 3dBµV menos de lo indicado.
Maximo 87dBµV el usado.
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Do not.
DVB-T only.
This week set a Rover HDR-10 for a friend, it is similar.
The quality.?
Almost it looks like the original HD signal via HDMI on TV, but a little more blurred, has the same definition.
The RF output is digitally adjusts it gives 3dBµV less than indicated.
Maximo 87dBμV the used.

Caracteristicas/Characteristics:
http://sateliterover.com/pdf/87072-mu-modulador-hdmi-v1605.pdf

Miramos el tema hace años, pero entonces S-video/RGB/video compuesto a TDT SD (DVB-T) unos 1000€.
We looked at the issue for years, but then S-video/RGB/composite video SD DTT (DVB-T) about 1000€.
 
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Sobre este modelo del compañero, cuidado, la norma Europea es HV-310E/EH DVB-T EN-300 744
Es un equipo emisor (TX) para antenas a 50 ohmios.
Cuidado que dan mucha potencia para conectar en casa.
Nuestras antenas, instalaciones van a 75 ohmios.
No necesitamo poner cable, pero nuestros vecinos veran nuestro canal.:-rofl2
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On this model companion, carefully, the European standard is HV-310E / EH DVB-T EN-300 744
It is a transmitting device (TX) antenna to 50 ohms.
Care to give much power to connect at home.
Our antennas, installations will 75ohm.
I do not need to put cable, but our neighbors will see our channel.:-doh
 

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I wanted to pipe through from my satellite gear in my man cave to other TV's in the house in HD without having to run any more cables and using AV senders which never work properly. I found this very reasonably priced HD modultor from Technomate (£130) most of the others available are very expensive. I have just used a a spare co-ax going up to my loftbox and and with a HDMI splitter, to feed the existing TV and the modulator at the same time it all works well, just retune your Freesat Channels and up it pops. You can set a channel name, I used 'SATELLITE' and select a channel number, I used 99 and also select what UHF channel you want to distribute the signal on , I used channel 60. Great HD
A couple of installers who used that model complained about problems with audio sync, is it OK on yours?
 

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A couple of installers who used that model complained about problems with audio sync, is it OK on yours?
I have had no problems with audio sync, I have 2 of these now piggy backed, but needed a 12dB attenuator as it was overloading my loft box.
 

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I have had no problems with audio sync, I have 2 of these now piggy backed, but needed a 12dB attenuator as it was overloading my loft box.

Thanks for the quick reply, that's good news, perhaps they don't like certain kit. The output is high from them and other COFDM modulators, have had to do similar myself.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply, that's good news, perhaps they don't like certain kit. The output is high from them and other COFDM modulators, have had to do similar myself.
Possibly the firmware has been updated on them. It has a USB socket for firmware updates.
 

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What channels can you output on? - trying to find a clean UHF channel here is a nightmare (and 60+ are useless due to LTE even with a filter as the "thud thud thud" and picture interference on the PAL-I Modulators confirms), but all my DVB-T2/MPEG4 boxes can tune to VHF 5 to 12 so 5 to 9 should be usable

Noticed on Amazon that a few people were saying they needed to use a splitter (as a combiner) on output as they lost Freeview multiplexes if they used the loop through - guessing this is because of signal overload hence the attenuator (already using 2x12dB attenuators on the aerial download to avoid LTE overload - the 4G filter being useless).

* Pre DSO we had two signal boosters inline to get a decent signal, and post DSO a cheap aerial downlead with no aerial attached just about works....
 

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What channels can you output on? - trying to find a clean UHF channel here is a nightmare (and 60+ are useless due to LTE even with a filter as the "thud thud thud" and picture interference on the PAL-I Modulators confirms), but all my DVB-T2/MPEG4 boxes can tune to VHF 5 to 12 so 5 to 9 should be usable

Noticed on Amazon that a few people were saying they needed to use a splitter (as a combiner) on output as they lost Freeview multiplexes if they used the loop through - guessing this is because of signal overload hence the attenuator (already using 2x12dB attenuators on the aerial download to avoid LTE overload - the 4G filter being useless).

* Pre DSO we had two signal boosters inline to get a decent signal, and post DSO a cheap aerial downlead with no aerial attached just about works....
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Depende del modulador que tengas, en general de 100-860Mhz.
Comprende la banda VHF (S1 a S10) hasta UHF mux69.
No todas las TV pueden sintonizar canales TDT en la banda Baja/S, una pena.
Importante, los filtros LTE los tienes buenos y malos, en papel (caracteristicas.pdf) todos son buenos, cuidado.

Lo ideal es medir la señal, nunca ajustar a ojo.
Los filtros LTE siempre antes de amplificar, al contrario es tonteria y siempre, entrada no utilizada cerrada con una carga.
Si los 90dBµV no son suficiente y tenemos que amplificar, dejar a 60/70dBµV para no saturar el amplificador.
Buscar el punto de saturacion del amplificador para no sobrepasar y tener mucho ruido de fondo en la instalacion.

Si usamos una central multibanda, que tenga 2 entradas UHF, una entrada para el modurlador y la otra para la antena, asi tienes mejor control.
Amplificar 2 veces, eso si que lo veo una tonteria.
Los equipos buenos permiten segunda amplificacion, con los malos, el primero degrada, el segundo remata.
Los equipos buenos, juegan con la ganacia de amplificacion, la señal de entrada siempre es el 100%.
Los equipos malos tienen un potencimetro que modifica el nivel de señal de entrada, el amplificador siempre trabaja al 120%, saturandose facilmente, con canales analogicos en estos equipos, al bajar potencia, tienes grano en la imagen y al dar mas potencia, satura facilmente, los buenos son mas caros, pero no tienen estos problemas, en el mercado desde 1980.

Mejor una central programable o modulos para cada canal, pero menos da una piedra.
Dejar si es posible 2 canales de separacion con el modular, si no es posible, dejar al lado de canales que emitan muy bajo.
A los canales de TDT les sienta como una patada si al lado tienen un canal analogico, cuidado si tienes un modular analogico tambien.

Con equipo de medida que permita ver todos los canales en uso y su potencia (analizador de espectro), 5 minutos de ajuste.
Con menos herramientas, mas tardas.

El sintonizador/TV tiene que ser DVB-T MPGE4 (para canales HD)
No hace falta que sea DVB-T2.
Si la señal que mandas al modulador no esta bien configurado a 1080p (por ejemplo), no tendras video o avisara la TV formato no soportado.
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It depends on the modulator that have, in general 100-860Mhz.
It includes the VHF band (S1 to S10) to UHF mux69.
Not all can tune DTT TV channels in the band Low / S, a shame.
Importantly, the LTE filters have good and bad, on paper (caracteristicas.pdf) are all good care.

The ideal is to measure the signal, never adjust to eye.
LTE filters always before amplifying the contrary is nonsense and always unused input closed with a load.
If 90dBμV are not enough and we need to amplify, leaving 60 / 70dBμV not to saturate the amplifier.
Search the amplifier saturation point and have not to exceed background noise in the installation.

If we use a multiband center, which has 2 inputs UHF, an entry for the modurlador and the other for the antenna, so you have better control.
Amplify 2 times, that if I see a nonsense.
Good teams allow second amplification, with the bad, the first degrades, the second effort.
Good teams play with the gain of amplification, the input signal is always 100%.
Bad teams have a potentiometer that modifies the level of input signal, the amplifier always works 120%, saturating easily with analog channels on these computers, lowering power, you have grain in the image and give more power, saturates easily , the good ones are more expensive but do not have these problems, on the market since 1980.

Better a programmable central or modules for each channel, but better than nothing.
Leave if possible 2 channels with modular separation, if not possible, leave off channels that emit very low.
A DTT channels them feel like a kick if off with an analog channel, care if you have a modular analog too.

With measuring equipment that can view all channels in use and power (spectrum analyzer), 5 minutes setting.
With fewer tools, but it takes.

The tuner / TV has to be DVB-T MPGE4 (for HD channels)
No need to be DVB-T2.
If the signal you send to the modulator is not properly configured to 1080p (for example) will not have video or TV warn unsupported format.

Suerte/Luck.

PS: Sorry translations.
 
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It depends on the modulator that have, in general 100-860Mhz.
It includes the VHF band (S1 to S10) to UHF mux69.

Hence why I was asking about this one as it's one of the few with no specs published.

Not all can tune DTT TV channels in the band Low / S, a shame.
All the boxes I have which definitely support MPEG4 do support VHF tuning thankfully.

Importantly, the LTE filters have good and bad, on paper (caracteristicas.pdf) are all good care.

Aye, the Triax one AT800 sent out fixed reception on the bedroom set thankfully! The Labgear in the lounge, not so much. We have no amplifiers nowadays - the DSO period was a pain as we had to disconnect the amplifier to watch post-DSO (50kW) broadcasts, but put it back in for pre-DSO (8 or 4kW) broadcasts, and even more annoying was that we had that unfortunate situation going on for months as one multiplex (at 4kW 64QAM) switched much later than the rest. Thankfully the lower power multiplexes now are either DVB-T2 (10 and 13kW) or DVB-T QSPK (5kW) which seem to work fine even though the indicated signal strength is low.

Leave if possible 2 channels with modular separation, if not possible, leave off channels that emit very low.
A DTT channels them feel like a kick if off with an analog channel, care if you have a modular analog too.

Easier said than done when 61+ are unusable due to 4G and the following channels are in use, * indicating those the receiver can tune to (** being weaker than the rest, and *b from a second transmitter we don't use) and the rest being detectable but not watchable - if you put a PAL-I modulator on those channels there is noticeable interference to the analogue picture. Currently using 41,44,47 for the PAL-I outputs, and 47 has noticeable graining but is the cleanest channel left.

22 *b
25 *b
26
28 *b
29 **
30-
31 **
33
37 **
39
40
42
43
45
46
49 *
53
54- *
56 *
57 *
58 *
60
The tuner / TV has to be DVB-T MPGE4 (for HD channels)
No need to be DVB-T2.
If the signal you send to the modulator is not properly configured to 1080p (for example) will not have video or TV warn unsupported format.

In the UK most sets with MPEG 4 support happen to have DVB-T2 (as DVB-T is MPEG2 only here) - AFAIK none of my DVB-T only set support MPEG4 (although two certainly support MPEG2 HD broadcasts!)

Annoying these, sensible priced anyway, modulators only do a single HDMI input, they should be able to accommodate two MPEG 4 channels easily! Post the 700MHz sell off the band is inevitably going to be very crowded
 

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Que modulador tienes? por buscar por la red, 4 ojos ven mas informacion.
Cuando mire precios, solo encontre un modelo con 2 entradas HDMI, relamente son 2 equipos en una misma caja (mismo mandos de ajuste) y la parte negativa, el precio es el doble.
Este mes tendre que ponerle 3 ó 4 modulos HDMI mas al amigo, quitando alguno analogico.

Mirando la informacion que pones.
22, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, 37, 39, 40, 42, 43, 45, 46, 49, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58 y 60.
Cuantos canales son realmente interesantes ó quieres ver?

Esta claro que tienes una centralita multibanda, una opcion es poner un filtro para eliminar el canal que no deseas que entre en el cable de antena antes del amplificador, el doble atenua 34dB bien ajustado.

Una opcion barata a poner los modulos que necesitas es usar una centralita programable que solo deje pasar los canales que quieres ver.

La mas grande que use, es de 8 cluster, luego puedes poner en cada cluster los canales que quieras (es un decir).
Esta es la que tengo, la venden otros fabricantes tambien, Centralita programable Johansson Mod.-6605 - Profiler SAT+.
http://www.electronicabf.com/13038-large_default/6605.jpg
8 Cluster, dan para agrupar 32mux por Madrid (191 canal[TV, radio y datos]).

Los tienes que agrupar por proximidad y potencia, recuerda las programables deajan pasar el canal que tiene al lado entre un 50-70%. :-(
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Modulator that you have? by searching the net, 4 eyes see more information.
When you look at prices, just found a model with 2 HDMI inputs relamente are 2 teams in the same box (same adjustment knobs) and the downside, the price is double.
This month I will have to put 3 or 4 HDMI modules more friend, removing any analog.

Looking at the information that you put.
22, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, 37, 39, 40, 42, 43, 45, 46, 49, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58 and 60.
How many channels are really interesting or want to see?

It is clear that you have a multi-band unit, one option is to put a filter to eliminate the channel you do not want to enter into the antenna cable before the amplifier, double attenuates 34dB tight.

A cheap option to put the modules you need is to use a programmable control unit that just miss the channels you want to see.

The bigger you use, is 8 cluster, then you can put in each cluster channels you want (so to speak).
This is what I have, other manufacturers also sell programmable Switchboard Johansson Mod.-6605 - SAT + profiler.
http://www.electronicabf.com/13038-large_default/6605.jpg
8 Cluster, give to group 32mux Madrid (channel 191 [TV, radio and data]).

All you have to group by proximity and power, remember the programmable deajan pass the next channel having between 50-70%. :-(

Sin medidor/analizador de espectro, es un problema/No meter/spectrum analyzer, it is a problem.
 

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Si lo tienes complicado, mete 4 moduladores TDT-HD cuando tienes 40 moduladores analogicos funcionando + los canales TV por TDT, desde S3 (119Mhz) al mux59 (778Mhz).
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If you have complicated, put 4 HD DVB-T modulators when you have 40 analog modulators operating the TV + DTT channels from S3 (119Mhz) to mux59 (778Mhz).

Suerte que quitare unos cuantos moduladores para desargar la instalacion.
Una vieja foto hasta el mux69 de hace unos años.
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So that takes away a few modulators to download the installation.
An old photo to mux69 a few years ago.
 

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What channels can you output on? - trying to find a clean UHF channel here is a nightmare (and 60+ are useless due to LTE even with a filter as the "thud thud thud" and picture interference on the PAL-I Modulators confirms), but all my DVB-T2/MPEG4 boxes can tune to VHF 5 to 12 so 5 to 9 should be usable

Noticed on Amazon that a few people were saying they needed to use a splitter (as a combiner) on output as they lost Freeview multiplexes if they used the loop through - guessing this is because of signal overload hence the attenuator (already using 2x12dB attenuators on the aerial download to avoid LTE overload - the 4G filter being useless).

* Pre DSO we had two signal boosters inline to get a decent signal, and post DSO a cheap aerial downlead with no aerial attached just about works....
You can output on anything from 21-69, configurable on the modulator.
Yes, an attenuator will possibly be required, I have two modulators piggy backed and they swamped my loftbox with signal causing the loss of some muxes as you say. A 12db attenuator before the loftbox and from the output of the modulators did the trick.
 
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