Astra 2F: Iberia & Balearics Discussion

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Analoguesat said:
That puts you just east of Santander by my reconing :) Pin moved :)
Right, ty for your effort, good lands here :-thumb1
 

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Thanks...It is stronger than the signal here in the Algarve now which has becomeweaker still in the past 2 hours.

I think we still don't have an accurate view about the situation around the Lisbon area. We lack of data with large dishes.
Opposed to the Canary islands, over here there aren't enough > 2m systems. The few existing may not be fined tuned for the 28.2E reception because so far this was not needed. The 2D could be easily received and with such antenna sizes the 2A/2B would also come without any trouble.
In my case the lnb skew is fined tuned for 2A north beam reception. I remember that it was quite difficult to get the optimal position.
But because the antenna it is in the roof of the building I cannot go there and try to optimise it now...
I guess that we will need some time for people to try and fine tune their systems. Likely these will be the expats after loosing BBC when it will move later on (to the 2E?)
 

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I'll be interested to hear if anyone manages to get anything special with a 2m dish with finely tuned dish/skew alignment here as I have a horrible feeling we will be losing all the BBC's in May when 2E arrives if 2F is anything to go by.
 

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PFD ALGARVE said:
I have a horrible feeling we will be losing all the BBC's in May when 2E arrives if 2F is anything to go by.
That is probably a correct assumption.
 

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Pedro0102 said:
I think we still don't have an accurate view about the situation around the Lisbon area. We lack of data with large dishes. Opposed to the Canary islands, over here there aren't enough > 2m systems. The few existing may not be fined tuned for the 28.2E reception because so far this was not needed. The 2D could be easily received and with such antenna sizes the 2A/2B would also come without any trouble. In my case the lnb skew is fined tuned for 2A north beam reception. I remember that it was quite difficult to get the optimal position. But because the antenna it is in the roof of the building I cannot go there and try to optimise it now... I guess that we will need some time for people to try and fine tune their systems. Likely these will be the expats after loosing BBC when it will move later on (to the 2E?)
The skew on all the Astra 2 satellites should be the same so if you're set for the North Beam
you should be OK.

With Astra 1N this year it's been very easy to set the skew with a spectrum analyser.Go to the Channel 4 Astra 1N transponder,select the opposite polarisation and null it out...All Astra 2 skew should then be set.

The problem is that with older/some LNB's the skew isn't exactly the same position for H and V(you optimise it on one polarity and it's not quite right on the other)though it doesn't really happen with modern LNB's.
It's only a fractional difference,but in a fringe area you need everything to be right.

On prime focus dishes,if the feedhorn is a bit dirty/corroded the same thing can happen,getting the last little bit out of the skew is almost impossible...Answer is to clean it up or change the feedhorn for a new one and try and set the skew again

Looking at your signal image "Maybe" a good 3 to 3.7 metre dish very well adjusted "Might" give pictures in the Lisbon area.
 

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On my 1.3 gibertini with an inverto octo the ch5 group are up & down throughout the day.

On my 1.65 CH4 HD is un watchable & the itv group are down to 60% quality just above the thresh hold. No chance at all of the BBC HD tests.

I am looking at the 1.8m at some point just need to find an octo for a prime focus if not then it shall be the quattro route.

Almeria in Land Southern Spain
 

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Analoguesat said:
Somewhere near Jijona inland from Alicante?

Thats going to need 3 pins for all those sizes!
Nearest big town is San Vicente de Raspeig. :-hide
 

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<blockquote data-author="geeuutee" data-cid="826213" data-time="1354666660">
South West Spain 37.30N 1.53W inland from Aguillas
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Don't know what happened there. Anyway that is south-east Spain, not south-west.
 

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This is not true in band D. And you can't set it with a spectrum you need digital lock. If you use the analogue spectrum display and just null out the opposite polarisation you will not be at the optimum setting due to the heavy interference from Badr5 and 30E.
Mr Hoover said:
The skew on all the Astra 2 satellites should be the same so if you're set for the North Beam
you should be OK.
 

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Thanks for this useful report. No need for a quattro, just a quad compatible switch. I picked up my 1.8m for 100€ and there are plenty more about.

olive25 said:
I am looking at the 1.8m at some point just need to find an octo for a prime focus if not then it shall be the quattro route.
Almeria in Land Southern Spain
 

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Huevos said:
This is not true in band D. And you can't set it with a spectrum you need digital lock. If you use the analogue spectrum display and just null out the opposite polarisation you will not be at the optimum setting due to the heavy interference from Badr5 and 30E.
I was just talking about the skew,it's going to be the same on Astra with or without Badr Arabsat etc poking in on the side.

From my experience in lowband or band D as you call it when 2D was around one had to tweak out
the sidelobes from Badr on small dishes which are very visible on a spectrum analyser,numerous instances of certain transponders being "poor" were due to that.

Minimise sidelobe intrusion,set the skew,peak the dish for max signal and away you go.
 

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No mate, you are wrong. I set up hundreds of these dishes each year and I can assure you to get maximum SNR the skew in band D is not the same due to interference from Badr5. If you switch the meter to vertical and skew the LNB until the horizontal transponders disappear into the noise, that is not the point of best SNR. On the small dishes on a transponders like 10729V that get heavy interference from Badr5 and 30E, SNR will be off by more than 1.5dB if you skew the LNB according to the spectrum.
Mr Hoover said:
I was just talking about the skew,it's going to be the same on Astra with or without Badr Arabsat etc poking in on the side.
 

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Huevos said:
No mate, you are wrong. I set up hundreds of these dishes each year and I can assure you to get maximum SNR the skew in band D is not the same due to interference from Badr5. If you switch the meter to vertical and skew the LNB until the horizontal transponders disappear into the noise, that is not the point of best SNR. On the small dishes on a transponders like 10729V that get heavy interference from Badr5 and 30E, SNR will be off by more than 1.5dB if you skew the LNB according to the spectrum.
Well I've been involved in the satellite business for well over 30 years sunshine so I've seen a dish or two..You do it your way and I'll do it mine which I know works...OK with you?
 

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After the 2F changeover have lost all channel 5s(10964) for most of the day, 4/7 (11127) and itvs (11052) both watchable.
SQs are 45% for C5 and
60-65% for the others.
Signal levels not posted as my rubbish digital 1200CI reported signal levels are a work of fiction as signal levels of 69 may not lock but levels of 60 may. I cannot touch the dish until after new year through fear of divorce as all other channels have qualitys of 85-95% and are watchable 24/7.
I will have a tinker then unless more moves take place before christmas, any recommendations for a cheap (sub €100) sensitive hd receiver would be appreciated.
 

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trevortronix said:
I agree re. the tuner, but I'm pretty happy with the dish alignment. Receiving Astra 2A North signals with 50+% SQ; 133 cm dishes just pick them up and no more.
HI,

Would you please send me a PM with contact details for yourself.

thanks
 

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olive25 said:
On my 1.3 gibertini with an inverto octo the ch5 group are up & down throughout the day.

On my 1.65 CH4 HD is un watchable & the itv group are down to 60% quality just above the thresh hold. No chance at all of the BBC HD tests.

I am looking at the 1.8m at some point just need to find an octo for a prime focus if not then it shall be the quattro route.

Almeria in Land Southern Spain
The ones you have signal for - would you class the channels as watchable or not, or are they breaking up all the time?

(Map updated to here)
 

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daztfs said:
HI,

Would you please send me a PM with contact details for yourself.

thanks
Can't see how to- just Google my username ;)
 

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PM should now be enabled for trevortronix :)
 

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