Receiving RAI channels via Atlantic Bird 5° W (Eutelsat 5 West A)

[keenite]

Hello all,
None of my HD tuners will recognize the FTA RAI channels broadcast on Atlantic Bird 5 W. For example 11180 V, 30000, 5/6, 8PSK.
My receivers are supposedly DVB-S2 ready, and work fine on all other frequencies on various satellites.
So my question: does RAI transmit on some other kind of standard here, which cannot be received with standard tuners?
TIA for your help.
K

 

[BlindFaith]

Hello,
afaik not possible with normal dvb-s2 receivers. You'll need a MIS (multiple input stream) capable receiver. Check the topics about crazyscan and TBS 5/6925

 

[keenite]

Thanks for the info.

 

[keenite]

Do you know the rationale of broadcasting in this standard, but FTA?

 

[A nonymous]

Probably to stop people with standard receivers watching it. Its cheaper than paying for an encryption system.

Its probably used by a cable headend or a back up for the transmitter network in much the same way as the BBC stuff on 27.5w.

Nano

 

[Analoguesat]

13E and a cheap Tivu card are the best route.

 

[BlindFaith]

Its probably used by a cable headend or a back up for the transmitter network in much the same way as the BBC stuff on 27.5w.

It's used as a backup or feed for DVB-T. Each of the multi input streams is ready made for DVB-T transmission ;)

Here's the NIT of input stream 5 of 11139V:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
  <Atlantic_Bird_3___5.0_W_11179_V>
    <NIT PID="16" Name="Actual Network">
      <NetworkID Value="12289" Name="Rai"/>
      <Descriptor HValue="0x40" Name="Network Name">
        <DescriptorLength Value="3"/>
        <NetworkName String="Rai"/>
      </Descriptor>
      <TransportStreamID Value="5" Name="500000 kHz">
        <OriginalNetworkID Value="318"/>
        <Descriptor HValue="0x41" Name="Service List">
          <DescriptorLength Value="9"/>
          <ServiceID Value="8595" Name="Rai HD">
            <ServiceType HValue="0x01" Name="Digital Television"/>
          </ServiceID>
          <ServiceID Value="8596" Name="Rai Storia">
            <ServiceType HValue="0x01" Name="Digital Television"/>
          </ServiceID>
          <ServiceID Value="8597" Name="Rai 5">
            <ServiceType HValue="0x01" Name="Digital Television"/>
          </ServiceID>
        </Descriptor>
        <Descriptor HValue="0x5A" Name="Terrestrial Delivery System">
          <DescriptorLength Value="11"/>
          <CentreFrequency Value="500000" Unit="kHz"/>
          <Bandwidth Value="0" Name="8 MHz"/>
          <Priority Value="1" Name="Low"/>
          <TimeSlicingIndicator Value="1"/>
          <MPEFEC_Indicator Value="1"/>
          <Constellation Value="2" Name="64-QAM"/>
          <Hierarchy Value="0" Name="non-hierarchical, native interleaver"/>
          <HPStreamCodeRate Value="1" Name="2/3"/>
          <LPStreamCodeRate Value="0" Name="1/2"/>
          <GuardInterval Value="3" Name="1/4"/>
          <TransmissionMode Value="1" Name="8k Mode"/>
          <OtherFrequencyFlag Value="0"/>
        </Descriptor>
        <Descriptor HValue="0x83" Name="Logical Channel Number">
          <DescriptorLength Value="12"/>
          <ServiceID Value="8595" Name="Rai HD">
            <VisibleServiceFlag Value="1"/>
            <LogicalChannelNumber Value="501"/>
          </ServiceID>
          <ServiceID Value="8596" Name="Rai Storia">
            <VisibleServiceFlag Value="1"/>
            <LogicalChannelNumber Value="54"/>
          </ServiceID>
          <ServiceID Value="8597" Name="Rai 5">
            <VisibleServiceFlag Value="1"/>
            <LogicalChannelNumber Value="23"/>
          </ServiceID>
        </Descriptor>
      </TransportStreamID>
    </NIT>
  </Atlantic_Bird_3___5.0_W_11179_V>

 

[Huevos]

13E and a cheap Tivu card are the best route.

Why do you need a Tivu card? I seem to be able to receive those channels fine without any card.

 

[mariust5]

Because on copyrighted stuff like movies and live football you will get a black screen but a card would not .

 

[keenite]

Thanks for the informative comments. Are such receivers freely available and what is the cost?
Not really interested in RAI per se, as they are available elsewhere, was more the technical end that interested me.

 

[Analoguesat]

Hobby level receivers arent available but PCI cards will decode the streams no problem - a couple of our members have done it with the right software.

have a look in the PCI card section.

 

[bobbywise]

Does anyone know if the LG smart TVs support MIS ?

 

[ozumo]

99% sure that they don't.

 

[Huevos]

Hobby level receivers arent available but PCI cards will decode the streams no problem - a couple of our members have done it with the right software.

have a look in the PCI card section.

I have never found anything on MIS 5º west that a PCI card would be needed for.

 

[Analoguesat]

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