"A technological quantum leap for the entire satellite industry"

[RichardCoulter]

I'm no techie, so wondered what those who know more about the technical side of satellite thought of this?

_http://www.ses.com/satip​

 

[Channel Hopper]

The link doesn't exist (at least not here).

Maybe the quantum leap took it into another dimension

 

[sonnetpete]

The working link is here :

_http://www.ses.com/satip

Not sure about it's success though, especially if it relies on fast broadband in rural areas like here.

 

[timo_w2s]

Not sure about it's success though, especially if it relies on fast broadband in rural areas like here.

As far as I can see it doesn't use broadband, it simply mixes in the satellite channels from your dish into your existing network so you can view the satellite channels on any compatible device connected to your router.

 

[sonnetpete]

Pleased there's someone thinking clearly......not that much of a 'quantum leap' then. With a bit of development couldn't a VU+ or Dreambox do the same?

 

[timo_w2s]

I think this could be huge. They are even talking about integrating the whole thing into the LNB in the future so presumably all that's needed is a cat5 network cable plugged into the LNB on the dish and the other end into a router and you'd have access to satellite TV where ever your home wifi signal/network cable reaches. No signal loss, UHF networks, Quad LNBs with coax, etc.

It's also interesting that BSkyB are involved with it.

What I'm not sure is if existing channels can be transmitted over SatIP or if they need to transmit new channels via the SatIP protocol direct from the satellite. So in effect SatIP would then become another standard like DVB-S and DVB-S2.

 

[rolfw]

As far as I was aware in the case of Sky, there would be a super spec Sky HD box with four tuners and a multi-terrabyte drive feeding ip boxes at the TVs.

 

[Vipersan]

A useful addition I guess ...
The only stumbling block I can envisage would be the data rates in use ..
Say in a typical home where 2 kids might be using wireless internet connections for PC use whilst mum and dad are in 2 different rooms watching 2 different channels as is often the case ..both requiring HD TV which would swallow the available bandwidth quickly ..whilst the PCs in use by the kids watching youtube vids might slow to a crawl ..
Definately 1gb wi fi routers would have to be used to make this viable ..
I prefer hard wired systems with lotsa cabling ..
These issues would simply be non existant in this scenario.
nonetheless ..its interesting tech..
rgds
VS

 

[Channel Hopper]

It's also interesting that BSkyB are involved with it.

From memory, BSk yB were contemplating dropping satellite broadcast (the vast majority, if not completely) a couple years back once their contract was up for renewal. The cost of uplinking to Astra 2 along with the annual licence fee takes a huge chunk out of the profit.

 

[Vipersan]

From memory, BSk yB were contemplating dropping satellite broadcast (the vast majority, if not completely) a couple years back once their contract was up for renewal. The cost of uplinking to Astra 2 along with the annual licence fee takes a huge chunk out of the profit.

BIG mistake imo ..
Not only would Streamed content put huge bandwidth strains on domestic equipment ...but the system would be totally reliant on a good steady phone connection ...and since not all the country is yet equipped for fibre optic connection ..and this only applies anyway as far as the grey/green box in the street..again the infrastructure isn't up to the task..

Then there is the added problem of fair usage shared connections which are often capped/throttled back..particularly during the daytime or peak hours.
I could see this method causing so many complaints from disgruntled customers it could see 'em leaving in droves.
just my opinion..but a blinkered vision.
VS

 

[remlap]

I can stream satellite radio and TV around the home over wifi already with DVBViewer. Or is this different?

 

[RichardCoulter]

I'm sorry, I don't know enough to answer that.

"A technological quantum leap for the entire satellite industry" is a bold claim to make. In essence, do people think this is founded or unfounded?

 

[Zebethyal]

Since the box they show takes 4 satellite inputs, I am guessing that it is basically a multiswitch taking a feed from a quatro LNB (borne out by one of the images shown during the video feed) and then sending a suitable stream via the house router to the client device that then runs some form of app to display that feed.

How are content suppliers going to charge for this, by the client device? Sky already charge £10.00 extra per room for multiroom, not so sure how they can police direct connections to TVs and Ipads, but I am sure they will find a way.

Elgato are already displaying an app for this on the itunes website: _http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/elgato-sat-ip/id490084846?mt=8

Also with all of the various encryption systems currently in use, is the decryption is happening at the app? that is what would happen with a normal multiswitch after all - individual receivers at the end of each cable. I did not see anywhere to insert a viewing card in the demo box they were using.

Epgs are shown on an Ipad, so I assume it is receiving it's own feed, rather than something that has already been decrypted (the latter would surely place a huge load on the switch, decrypting multiple channels in real time, rather than simply forwarding on an IP based LNB feed).

Inverto have also certified the first box as of a couple of days ago _http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2012/11967720

 

[digihoe]

OK, so the boxes so far are quad-boxes (at most you can stream 4 transponders), most linux (enigma2) boxes can also do this. I can't see the big deal until someone makes a box that works directly with invacom laser lnb's so they can get a whole sat in one go (10000Mbits +) -> IP.
Most IP providers offers 50 channels, that is maybe 5-6 transponders. Astra, Hotbird etc have ~100 transponders.

However it would make a cheap housing estate TV-net.