Just Sharing This Adapting a Prodelin poloriser.

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For something to do while the cold wet weather is with us , here is a little project to modify a standard Prodelin C-band poloriser with motorised polarity / skew for use on a Elite 2.2 PF antenna. It will basically be the same as the AV-Comm poloriser barrel one in use now and some performance comparisons between the two can be done later.
Here's a few pics of the Prodelin & AV-Comm in use now for starters.
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Prodelin poloriser ... reduced..jpgs-l1600.jpgNorsat C-band ...reduced...jpg
 
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As can be seen, the Prodelin poloriser is a much more refined piece of engineering. This new fabrication is really only a prototype with not too much time spent on making it look too pretty & also only minimal basic tools used - The first bit of the new fabrications started at the front end of the poloriser with the task of making a section of waveguide to attach the PF scalar ring to. My first waveguide is using a section of tube that is the same internal dimension of the AV-Comm barrel and a quick and cheerful mounting plate to hold the scalar ring was made out of a spare unused scalar ringscalar ring.AV-COMM barrel..JPGProdelin poloriser.jpgProdelin poloriser barrel.jpgProdelin - comparison....jpgScalar ring adapter....jpgScalar ring adapter.jpgProdelin scalar mod idea..... IMAGE..jpg
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.. Next thing on the to do list - - put together a square section lnb support arm bracket to replace the circular section AV-Comm poloriser bracket so quickly knocked up this one shown in it's primer paint and still unfinished.

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AV-Comm lnb support arm bracket..JPGPatriot square lnb support arm bracket ..... reduced image.....jpgProdelin square lnb support arm bracket... reduced image..jpg
 
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.. Moving on to the trickier bit - producing a smooth rotating RF tight as best as can be achieved joint between the Prodelin poloriser and the beautifully machined lnb flange assembly. In normal configuration the poloriser had a 5mm x 2.4mm deep channel for the rubber weather seal at one end and the lnb assembly also had the same dimension channel. Luckily the poloriser has the exact dimensions inside from one end to the other so it didn't matter which way around it pointed at the dish face - - this proved to be a big bonus as the two machined seal channels matched up perfectly when the poloriser and lnb assembly were placed together and basically formed a nearly 5mm square channel-ideal for inserting the right amount of 5mm stainless ball bearings to form a continuous metal RF seal and also a nice smooth rotating joint. The next problem was how to find a cheap way to keep the two assemblies together. A few pics below to go with this narrative.
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Prodelin poloriser sealing ring channel ... reduced image..jpgProdelin lnb flange ... reduced image..jpgProdelin poloriser weather seal detail .... reduced image.JPGProdelin poloriser with 99% of channel filled with 5mm bearings.... reduced image..jpg
 
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@John

Excellent modification, well done. Signal reports soon I hope?
 
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That grease is going to flow well once it gets a little warmer, down into the feed and over the cap/spider trap (if you have one that is) , is it worth rethinking your strategy to use a molybdenum paste instead ?
 
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@John

Excellent modification, well done. Signal reports soon I hope?



how soon i can get it transfered onto the 2.2 MB depends on the weather at the moment, we've had a couple of really wet cold days up here and it's not been very pleasant. It might not turn out very good Dave, my AV-Comm set-up works very good but the fun is in trying lol. I should have said in my previous post re: the rubber weather seals or lack of now, that i will have a close fitting rain canopy over the joint area to keep the rain out a bit.
 
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That grease is going to flow well once it gets a little warmer, down into the feed and over the cap/spider trap (if you have one that is) , is it worth rethinking your strategy to use a molybdenum paste instead ?

Yes your right in theory and i have already done that test on the joint here in the shack with very warm ambient surrounding and it didn't run. Good point though- i'll look into that suggestion further. You been in the shed rummaging yet ?.
 
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Always rummaging, yes I have C band scalars in sight but they are not Prodelin, and modified for offset/side by side fitting.
 

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Always rummaging, yes I have C band scalars in sight but they are not Prodelin, and modified for offset/side by side fitting.



.. thanks for the rummage CH, i have some chopped versions like that myself so will pass thankyou.
 
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Yes your right in theory and i have already done that test on the joint here in the shack with very warm ambient surrounding and it didn't run. Good point though- i'll look into that suggestion further. You been in the shed rummaging yet ?.
high melting point grease ie wheel bearing grease may be a option. Great Mod !
 
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No grease required then, just lacquer the aluminium surfaces.
 
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No grease required then, just lacquer the aluminium surfaces.[/QUOTE



Been using this on my exterior projects for waterproofing connections & surfaces to good effect

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Is it up and working yet??
 
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No grease required then, just lacquer the aluminium surfaces.




Been using this on my exterior projects for waterproofing connections & surfaces to good effect

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Servisol sealant.. reduced image.jpg
 
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... Next to do - - find a cheap and cheerful way to mate the two together.
A Lazy Susan bearing was considered as i have used them before to some success but this was not possible on this build /mod due to aperture size mis-match.
Solution was to use sealed miniature bearings that are used in model RC cars etc, knock up some simple mounting brackets, drill and tap the fixed Prodelin poloriser outer rim and fix them to it. Final assembly will be sprayed with Plastic Seal and also have some sort of close fitting weather canopy fitted.
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... sunshine and showers here today but made a start on stripping out the circular shaped motorised AV-Comm poloriser set-up on the 2.2 ready for the critical re-alignment of the motorised square section Prodelin poloriser tomorrow weather permitting. Will be using a four string approach to aligning the feed throat to exact central feed position and for correct geometry down the boresight etc.
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2.2 Elite - AV-Comm - Prodelin changeover. reduced image....JPGProdelin aligment.... reduced image....jpgProdelin aligment.... reduced image..jpg
 
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