Astra 2F at 28E (at last!)

[davidcmadrid]

HO


HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

SES have said its in place ( of course another wild theory for the pot is its lost in Space lol ) both officially and through some forum members contacts in SES and the consensus is that there is a new beam shape being broadcast from 28.2e presumably the UK spot from 2F.

 

[smoggy07]

HO


HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

We know that she is to be placed at 28.2e so why would she overshoot it? The TLE data used on that site will be out of date

Think of it as a prediction based on the last status report, same way as a satnav keeps moving the marker when you go through a tunnel and loose signal, give it a day or 2 and she will be back at 28.2

Really it is the same as UTC time, they cant tell you what the time is now but what time it was 2weeks ago

 

[Huevos]

Yes of course I was joking but there were a few - and I stress a few - sellers who really took advantage of the situation

TBH, most clients I've dealt with already knew and those that didn't were told. But when they live in a mansion with a swimming pool on one side and a Mercedes on the other, most of them aren't bothered about a small outlay for a temporary satellite dish.

 

[William Kay]

Don't know if this helps. I am 150km north of Edinburgh and 340km south of Shetland.
I have an 80cm dish lined up on Astra 1 and an offset lnb for Astra 2.....don't know what size of dish that would be when looking at Astra 2.

1N is much stronger than 2A and B. However there is next to no difference between 1N AND 2F
My Technomate gives the same readings for both. Signal quality 85/86

Thanks! Wonder what 85/86 looks like 340km further north. 300km east of Shetland it's very weak!

 

[zeeteefje]

Last epoch was on November 20, at that time 2f was on 28.3345 E. The rest is all calculated without feedback of the real position of the satellite that hit the brakes. Apparently, no visual confirmation has been possible since then. (weather) Consequently, all the 'real-time' trackers are now horribly wrong

 

[Lazarus]

HO


HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
Especially when we know that the dishes are adjustable on this satellite.....

Well apart from the other responses, it's quite difficult to see how the bulk of the real reports from across Europe often using large Dishes (with concomitant narrow beamwidth) aligned to 28.2E could be wrong.

For a large dish, a discrepancy of 4.1 degrees of Azimuth would be wholly obvious.

And being able to make some adjustment to the transmitted beam doesn't have the effect of altering where it appears to originate from.

 

[tothbros]

signal drop is experienced in my fringe area on 10729V (the strongest 1N tp here), around 10% down

 

[Pedro0102]

Well first it's not interference from the neighbouring transponders that is the problem, but that the dish is too small. And even if it were the neighbouring transponders that is irrelevant because all those transponders are going to move to 2F and will be at a similar level.

You did not get my point....
I'm saying that at present time reception of 11025H is probably worst than when everything is migrated to 2F.
At present time the 2 adjacent transponders of 11023H on the 1N are coming very strong in Portugal and I think this is preventing the reception of 2F that is very weak.
A larger dish would not help much in this case because it would also amplify further the 1N transponders, maintaining the C/N level on 11023.
From my readings the power I'm getting on 11025H is about the same I see for 12480V on the 2A NB that I'm receiving. But for the latest there are no strong adjacent transponders.

So, I have some hope that the situation can get a bit better in the fringe 2F footprint areas where the 1N is currently strong.

 

[bema]

Hello

Here is a report from Sweden. I'm 30 km south of Gothenburg (western part of Sweden)
I get 11023 H with a 110 cm dish. It's very close to the demodulator threshold so rain gives pixelization.
2F is approx 6-7 dB weaker than 1N for this frequency...

 

[g8vkv]

Nothing in new to report, 11023 still there, no appreciable differences. At weekend clear blue skies, since then cloud, heavy cloud and rain so not able to make "like for like" comparisons.

The weather's been grim here today - improving now - but everything is, well, moist.

 

[Mr Hoover]

Hello

Here is a report from Sweden. I'm 30 km south of Gothenburg (western part of Sweden)
I get 11023 H with a 110 cm dish. It's very close to the demodulator threshold so rain gives pixelization.
2F is approx 6-7 dB weaker than 1N for this frequency...

That's a nice looking Spectrum analyser !

From my readings the power I'm getting on 11025H is about the same I see for 12480V on the 2A NB that I'm receiving. But for the latest there are no strong adjacent transponders.

The 2F test signal is much lower than the 12480V level right in the South of Portugal.

 

[davidcmadrid]

The 2F test signal is much lower than the 12480V level right in the South of Portugal.

Hugh , what dish size and what strenght are you getting on 11023H ? I have seen few positve reports from Portugal, in fact for me you are the first as it been suggested anything west of Malaga was close to impossible.

 

[solly]

it maybe for testing not real power of 2f yet
maybe transmited internal test before switch signal to real power ?
it was 11023h near 5 c.n on 43.5e testing signal

 

[skomedal]

Just a theory

Could the delay reason or the constant signal tweaking be that those in charge of testing are following all the reception reports on this and other satellite forums to fine tune the UK spot footprint?

 

[Mr Hoover]

Hugh , what dish size and what strenght are you getting on 11023H ? I have seen few positve reports from Portugal, in fact for me you are the first as it been suggested anything west of Malaga was close to impossible.

Hi

I'm using a 2 metre Prime Focus dish and an Inverto quad LNB...
Well if you look at the spectrum picture above from Sweden it's similar but the 2F carrier is 15dB
below the 1N carrier peaks either side...Sometimes it seems a little lower,maybe 17dB.

So reception could be possible but a very large dish is needed.

 

[Lazarus]

I have got some more (scant!) information obtained via a tortuous and non-attributable route from SES.

The transfer will take place over the first two weeks of December, hopefully starting 2-6 Dec.

This is pretty obvious anyway, but clearly a remote party like myself getting wind of something and it actually happening are two different things.

We've already had the 23-26 Nov dates kiboshed, so set as much or little store by this as you wish.

If it turns out not to be right, then my shoulders are broad - and in any event nothing we chatterati say or wish for has the slightest bearing on the actualité!

 

[mbsnr]

Just a theory

Could the delay reason or the constant signal tweaking be that those in charge of testing are following all the reception reports on this and other satellite forums to fine tune the UK spot footprint?

Ah ha! Right everyone outside of UK and ROI say "Now no signal on 11023H".
Be up and running by 1900GMT. Sorted.

 

[Betzdorf]

Oh dear, our plan has been discovered.
We'll need to send some SES staff out in motor-caravans around southern Europe to see where they can receive Astra 2-F. We can't rely on these silly forums.

Must go to "Plan B".

"No signal from 11023H in Brittany. That's right, isn't it?"
"No Signal from 11023H in Birmingham. Oh dear, must adjust the beam again".

 

[Mr Hoover]

The transfer will take place over the first two weeks of December, hopefully starting 2-6 Dec.

and in any event nothing we chatterati say or wish for actually has the slightest bearing on the actualité!

Very interesting...Do we actually "know" or can someone find out if the bird has 10.7-10.95 GHz transponders?
According to the SES website there are 48 transponders available for Europe...

Your last sentence is oh so very true !!

 

[Analoguesat]

If Sky have you in zone 2, that's what they'll install.

No - the installers will use whatever they have on the van and scarper asap. Im in an zone 2 area and at least half the dishes round here are the zone 1' minis