BBC ITV etc phasing out SD services on satellite in 2023

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About time for an edit on the thread title.

Or move to another section.
Title change. :D

Although to be honest with sky changing trasponders to DVB-S2 in 2024 ALL Sky SD via DVB will be disappearing, (along with all radio via DV:cool: Seeing as the BBC & ITV have started shutting down the SD channels we can expect a wholesale slaughter of SD channels in 2024 from other broadcast organisations.
 

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Although to be honest with sky changing trasponders to DVB-S2 in 2024 ALL Sky SD via DVB will be disappearing,
I think SD versions will remain for as long as it's profitable for Sky to charge an extra £9 a month to upgrade to HD, albeit on DVB-S2 transponders. Sky branded SD sports and movie channels will likely go as they don't appear to require the HD pack to view in HD.
 

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I think SD versions will remain for as long as it's profitable for Sky to charge an extra £9 a month to upgrade to HD, albeit on DVB-S2 transponders. Sky branded SD sports and movie channels will likely go as they don't appear to require the HD pack to view in HD.
Oh yes SD will hang around for a while, but they will be on DVB-S2 as you say. Although I dare say a handful of the Globecast tp's with the ultra cheapie channels with virtually no viewers on them might stay DVB-S for a while yet.
 

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SD is easier on my eyes. I prefer the softness of SD to the hi-res nature of HD. It's like photographs printed from film. I think we need visual cortex upgrades/implants to really benefit.

Anyway, I am content so long as Great* and Film4 stay SD for a little while longer. :-)
 

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SD is easier on my eyes. I prefer the softness of SD to the hi-res nature of HD. It's like photographs printed from film. I think we need visual cortex upgrades/implants to really benefit.

Anyway, I am content so long as Great* and Film4 stay SD for a little while longer. :-)
How does HD look after a couple of glasses of vino ?
 

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BBC SD VIA ASTRA 28.2º RIP !!
 

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Good morning from the Fringes!
RIP stable signal,welcome to seasonal ups & downs!
one good point of SD was that recording took 3 times less space on the hard drive than HD...
nobody seems to have thought about this.
Now,do news services or kid programs REALLY need HD ?
Yes,I know ... we 're outside the intended coverage.
TVE from Spain has set up an "internacional" I-player for those...not in Spain. Maybe we 'll get a BBC equivalent of this?
Have yourselves a nice post-Magi week!
 

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Good morning from the Fringes!
RIP stable signal,welcome to seasonal ups & downs!
one good point of SD was that recording took 3 times less space on the hard drive than HD...
nobody seems to have thought about this.
Now,do news services or kid programs REALLY need HD ?
Yes,I know ... we 're outside the intended coverage.
TVE from Spain has set up an "internacional" I-player for those...not in Spain. Maybe we 'll get a BBC equivalent of this?
Have yourselves a nice post-Magi week!
i realy doute BBC will do such a move !

UK Timeline of changes to Freeview and Satellite TV
===================================================

Q1 2024
BBC SD channels close on satellite; Viewers who haven’t upgraded their satellite equipment to HD
compatible receivers will lose BBC TV channels and radio stations.

2024
BBC Four, CBBC, Radio 4 Extra to close; The channels are due to continue online within the BBC
iPlayer / BBC Sounds. The BBC disagrees with the concept of the channels being “closed”, but BBC
Three’s online-only stint involved the channel becoming a half-hearted sub-branded area of the
iPlayer, which for many users didn’t feel like a channel, just a header to unite certain types of
content.
1st January 2025
ITV1/STV (Channel 3) and Channel 5 licence renewal; Ofcom will shortly begin the renewal process
that will come into effect at the beginning of 2025. During the process, Ofcom will determine the
levels of regional programmes to be shown on Channel 3 and how much news or children’s
programmes should be shown on Channel 5 among other things. Renewal is not guaranteed: for
example, if ITV refused renewal, it could continue as an entirely commercial broadcaster on a
different channel number.

2025
Ofcom reviews digital terrestrial TV (Freeview) future; The Department for Digital, Culture, Media,
and Sport (DCMS) has tasked Ofcom to complete a review on digital terrestrial television by this
point. No doubt it will be heavily influenced by the outcome of the WRC-23 and its decision on
frequency usage. It’s the earliest point Ofcom can serve a five-year notice period on Freeview
multiplex licence holders if it’s decided terrestrial TV must close. That would result in terrestrial TV
as we know it ending in 2030. If terrestrial TV survives longer, Ofcom will still need to make key
decisions regarding an IP-switchover for when digital terrestrial TV in its current form is terminated.
2026
BBC-B (PSB3) Freeview multiplex licence expires; The BBC has two Freeview multiplexes – one linked
to the Royal Charter (BBC-A/PSB1) and is used for SD channels, and a second – BBC-B/PSB3 – for HD
channels. In 2026, the BBC-B licence expires. But the BBC has indicated to the DCMS it won’t decide
on renewing it yet. Depending on Ofcom’s review of Freeview and the future of the BBC beyond the
end of the Royal Charter, the closure of BBC-B could be used as an opportunity to close SD channels,
migrating BBC HD channels to BBC-A.
31st December 2027
BBC Royal Charter expires; The Government and BBC are exploring new methods to fund the BBC.
2028
Earliest date for Sky satellite service closure; Sky’s contract with satellite operator SES expires in
2028. Renewed in May 2022, the contract covers the use of transponders at the orbital position
28.2/5°E and builds upon previous contacts Sky has signed with SES that run until 2027. Sky may
sign extensions between now and then, but Sky’s recent push to promote its internet-based TV
service clearly shows change is coming. The BBC, ITV, Channels 4 and 5 have their own contracts
with SES, so technically the main free-to-air broadcasters could continue offering a core, universal TV
service beyond Sky’s departure, although the economics of providing a service to Freesat users only
might be unviable.
2030
Earliest digital terrestrial TV/Freeview closure date; If WRC-23 decides Freeview frequencies should
be cleared for mobile services, then digital terrestrial television services will need to wind down
from 2030.
2034
Current expiry for digital terrestrial multiplex licenses; The current preferred end date for digital
terrestrial television, when multiplex licences expire. By this point, viewers will need to migrate to
internet-based TV platforms.…but there will need to be a universal, affordable, reliable internetbased
TV service for viewers to switch to, something that BBC Director-General Tim Davie has

recently raised.
 
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well,a pretty gloomy picture ,mabe the works of so many years with Conservative governments.
Here we don 't have such a clear view of media future.

As for now,French channels are on a pay system costing 10 euros a year plus 100 euros to buy the decoder with a 4 year card...
called tnt-sat and fransat (strange enough we have 2 cometing systems...on 2 satellites!

maybe a balance between a "free lunch" and an affordable system to access French tv in Europe.
 

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Good morning from the Fringes!
RIP stable signal,welcome to seasonal ups & downs!
one good point of SD was that recording took 3 times less space on the hard drive than HD...
nobody seems to have thought about this.
Now,do news services or kid programs REALLY need HD ?
Yes,I know ... we 're outside the intended coverage.
TVE from Spain has set up an "internacional" I-player for those...not in Spain. Maybe we 'll get a BBC equivalent of this?
Have yourselves a nice post-Magi week!

Recording: Hard drive space, inc. that for PVRs, these days is very cheap per GB. Not really an issue unless you are "saving" an awful lot of programming to a hard drive.

Children deserve their programmes to be in HD as much as adults do, and HD enhances news footage. Sky News' insistence on keeping their HD channel behind a paywall is looking poor when next to other international news channels let alone the BBC's, most of whom are in HD & FTA.

Time moves on & with any sort of technical upgrade that sees old tech be made redundant, there will always be an element of collateral - as far as the Beeb is concerned, this has been kept to a minimum for licence fee payers.
 
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licence fee payers is the keyword indeed.
Here in France it s been scrapped with a shrug by our parliament... 2 years ago,it was hardly in the news.
I lament it,as,in case of a Farage-like government(Le Pen is its name) we would have immediate dominance of private channels ,and pay-channels for those who can afford it,since the licence fee payers'connected obligations have disappeared.
Until now,no visible change,but who knows?
 

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It was a sad moment when I lost BBC today. I actually used to have BBC HD until a couple of years ago when they switched to 8psk 3/4. 11023 used to come in about 22 hours per day. Was it 8psk 2/3 before? How much stronger signal do I need to still receive BBC? Perhaps it is worth a try to adjust my gibertini 125 and install a new lnb?
 

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i realy doute BBC will do such a move !
Note the services require 'HD compatiblle equipment', I wouldn't put it past them to transmit services that are everso slightly beyond SD.
(really anything beyond 576 could be considered 'high definition' though 720 is usually a minimum)

As for recording space, I have little doubt there will be somewhat more repeat services as the years progress.
 

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sure,and the i-player (or Arte.tv,free online for all Europeans btw)
does repeat things... only to replace them slowly and surely.
Some films disappear according to fashion,etc... like Little Britain for instance,i 'm happy I recorded it on Dvds when it was on...
"That s TV " 's late repeat is rotten by ads and very low definition...what do ou call "half-SD"?Mpeg-1 maybe?
Most good films tend to come back,documentaries however mostly come once or twice,
except the glorious Attenborough masterworks of course,which is a very good thing.
So do innovative series. 2005 -made "Life on Mars" took until this year to appear on Arte!
A nice discovery for us anyway.Thank you,BBC!
 

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It was a sad moment when I lost BBC today. I actually used to have BBC HD until a couple of years ago when they switched to 8psk 3/4. 11023 used come in about 22 hours per day. Was it 8psk 2/3 before? How much stronger signal do I need to still receive BBC? Perhaps it is worth a try to adjust my gibertini 125 and install a new lnb?
No 11023 H has never used FEC 2/3. It is one of the weaker transponders at my place together with 11053 H.
10818 V and 10847 V are among the strongest. Both use FEC 3/4 but I have no problem getting them even in really bad weather. Have you tried these frequencies?
 

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Note the services require 'HD compatiblle equipment', I wouldn't put it past them to transmit services that are everso slightly beyond SD.
(really anything beyond 576 could be considered 'high definition' though 720 is usually a minimum)

As for recording space, I have little doubt there will be somewhat more repeat services as the years progress.
i was referring to BBC international service via smart tv apps
 

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No 11023 H has never used FEC 2/3. It is one of the weaker transponders at my place together with 11053 H.
10818 V and 10847 V are among the strongest. Both use FEC 3/4 but I have no problem getting them even in really bad weather. Have you tried these frequencies?
Thanks for feedback and advice, I will try to adjust the dish and perhaps replace my decade old MTI Highline with a new lnb. It was however notably better than my other lnbs, a Inverto Black Ultra quad and a single, that I also purchased about a decade ago when I installed the dish. I heard that the new Inverto Black Ultra quad are better than in the past.

I searched for 10818v and 10847, but they seem to weak. I am quite sure that 11023H previously was 8PSK 2/3 and they changed to 8PSK 3/4 a couple of years ago to squeeze in more channels. BBC or Freesat seems to be leasing one transponder from SKY (12168V) which is still 8PSK 2/3, but I can barely catch DVB-S channels on neighbouring frequencies.
 
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Make sure the lnb skew is peaked up propely too - that can make the difference between no reception & adequate reception.

Someone was asking about power requirements earlier in the thread - here is a useful required power table

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Thank you Analoguesat! The FEC changes seem to have been about five years ago, time flies...


So the threshold increased from 6.6 dB to 7.9 dB? I hope that I can adjust it so I don't need a 150 cm dish.
 

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Thank you Analoguesat! The FEC changes seem to have been about five years ago, time flies...


So the threshold increased from 6.6 dB to 7.9 dB? I hope that I can adjust it so I don't need a 150 cm dish.
Your memory must be better than mine. I have always considered 11023 H to be "a weak one".
A new LNB could certainly help AND the skew is VERY important especially regarding 11023 and 11053 at least in my case.
 
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