Best receivers for Fringe Reception

PaulR

PaulR

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Wirral, NW UK and Vaucluse, France.
I could see the curvature effect on the axis from just west of north to just east of south and made allowance for that. But I could so no difference at 90 degrees to that, which is what I based my point on. I don't expect absolute accuracy in these drawings but the difference seemed just a bit too much to my eye.
 
Huevos

Huevos

Satellite Freak
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5,994
My Satellite Setup
57E to 58W, C-band and Ku, DVB-S2, 4:2:2 and blindscan.
My Location
38.5ºN, 0.5ºW
Paul I've run another one for comparison. Centred on Birmingham (52.5º, -1.9º). No extra settings added to skew the beam etc. just so you can see exactly where the degree lines fall. Lines at 0.5, 0.75, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 degrees off axis.

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RichardinSpain

Regular Member
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253
Location
Totana, Murcia
My Satellite Setup
Sky 1.5 m FTE dish Amiko Alien SHD8900 receiver, Gigablue Quad
& 80cm dish for Nilesat or badr with Amstrad sky receiver
Dreambox 500s motsat3 motor
My Location
Totana Murcia Spain
E28A is rubbish signal here. Much weaker than 2E/2F UK spot beam. But the 2/3 FEC compensates.
Down my neck off the woods, E28a seems a tad stronger than 2e and 2f
 
PaulR

PaulR

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My Satellite Setup
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My Location
Wirral, NW UK and Vaucluse, France.
Paul I've run another one for comparison. Centred on Birmingham (52.5º, -1.9º). No extra settings added to skew the beam etc. just so you can see exactly where the degree lines fall. Lines at 0.5, 0.75, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 degrees off axis.
It was more of an observation than a criticism. Thanks for running it again though.
 
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altman

Regular Member
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39
My Satellite Setup
1.8m PF 28.2E, 61cm 19.2E+13E, 34cm 5W, 1.25m PF motorized
mirage 1704HD, DM500S, skystar USB, Sathunter sh200
My Location
Portalegre, Portugal
Paul I've run another one for comparison. Centred on Birmingham (52.5º, -1.9º). No extra settings added to skew the beam etc. just so you can see exactly where the degree lines fall. Lines at 0.5, 0.75, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 degrees off axis.

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that can't be entirely correct, as I am watching almost all of it, without interruptions right on that blue line ;)
1.8m marrafa, quad invacom, crappy receiver
 
Tururu

Tururu

Assembled with recycled parts
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2,691
My Satellite Setup
90cm motorised dishes(98x90)+fixed+multiLNB+24Unicable.
Currently 55 satellites, 61°West to 57°East.

DB800S-HD VU+DUO2, VU+Ultimo4K, TBS5925, OctagonSX88.
Recycled as the owner.
My Location
North of Madrid (28703 Spain) -3Km of IKEA (40.545847, -3.612012).:-)
The green line fails Barcelona.
Madrid, being below the black line with 100cm OK in good weather, bad weather, minimum 150cm.
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La linea verde por Barcelona no cumple.
Madrid, estando debajo de la linea negra con 100cm OK con buen tiempo, con mal tiempo, minimo 150cm.
 
dxsat

dxsat

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745
My Satellite Setup
Snap's setup: (In Spain) Humax HDR, Prodelin 1.8m dish + Invacom QDF-031 + CM feed, (In UK) CallFlow VDSL + EE 4G, Sky Q, YouView HD, Mac OSX, iOS
My Location
UK: Tonbridge, Kent. Spain: Madrid.
Madrid, being below the black line with 100cm OK in good weather, bad weather, minimum 150cm.

Size for Madrid with rain margin: 120 cm. I did an installation in Majadahonda a couple of weeks ago, which withstood the torrential rain the Madrid area suffered last week. The customer reported no loss of signal, even on the tricky 11023 H BBC HD transponder.
ChannelMaster/Skyware Global 120 cm + Inverto Black Ultra Twin + Humax HDR 1000S.
Saludos.
 
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samoloko

Specialist Contributor
Messages
400
My Satellite Setup
1.8 PFA
My Location
EU
what does represent lines from Huevos figure
 
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altman

Regular Member
Messages
39
My Satellite Setup
1.8m PF 28.2E, 61cm 19.2E+13E, 34cm 5W, 1.25m PF motorized
mirage 1704HD, DM500S, skystar USB, Sathunter sh200
My Location
Portalegre, Portugal
its a good render of the situation, one of the best I've seen, but I think the blue line ( the second null ) should be 100Km further East, right over the Algarve, and Lisbon.

that's the one I'm not getting: 11023 H
my sathunter is able to get dvbS2 but not the 8psk modulation so tuning for that TP has been on standby
 
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samoloko

Specialist Contributor
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400
My Satellite Setup
1.8 PFA
My Location
EU
does the lines represent locations with null signal really
 
Tururu

Tururu

Assembled with recycled parts
Messages
2,691
My Satellite Setup
90cm motorised dishes(98x90)+fixed+multiLNB+24Unicable.
Currently 55 satellites, 61°West to 57°East.

DB800S-HD VU+DUO2, VU+Ultimo4K, TBS5925, OctagonSX88.
Recycled as the owner.
My Location
North of Madrid (28703 Spain) -3Km of IKEA (40.545847, -3.612012).:-)
Madrid, being below the black line with 100cm OK in good weather, bad weather, minimum 150cm.

Size for Madrid with rain margin: 120 cm. I did an installation in Majadahonda a couple of weeks ago, which withstood the torrential rain the Madrid area suffered last week. The customer reported no loss of signal, even on the tricky 11023 H BBC HD transponder.
ChannelMaster/Skyware Global 120 cm + Inverto Black Ultra Twin + Humax HDR 1000S.
Saludos.
The tp 11022 is very powerful and very well tuned Madrid (also smoothly last week with rain you mention), very tolerant of moderate to heavy rain, which does not happen with other tp's and smaller antennas.

To the north of the community, sometimes it rains a lot stronger and I lose.
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El tp 11022 es muy potente y se sintoniza muy bien por Madrid (tambien sin problemas la semana pasada con la lluvia que comentas), soporta muy bien la lluvia moderada y fuerte, cosa que no pasa con otros tp's y antenas mas pequeñas.

Por el norte de la comunidad, algunas veces llueve mucho mas fuerte y lo pierdo.


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11022 = 8.00dB Señal/SNR50% AGC99% BER 0 BBC 1 Scot HD

10714 = 7.50dB Señal/SNR46% AGC99% BER300Channel4 (c4l)
10729 = 8.50dB Señal/SNR53% AGC99% BER30 Channel 4 +1
10744 = 7.50dB Señal/SNR46% AGC99% BER300RTE One
10758 = 9.00dB Señal/SNR53% AGC99% BER 9 ITV
10773 = 7.50dB Señal/SNR46% AGC99% BER300BBC 1 London
10788 = 8.50dB Señal/SNR53% AGC99% BER50 BBC 1 Wales
12090 = 6.50dB Señal/SNR40% AGC99% BER 0
12246 = 6.00dB Señal/SNR37% AGC99% BER 0
VU+DUO²
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11022 = 8.80dB Señal/SNR54% AGC69% BER 0 BBC 1 Scot HD

10714 = 8.40dB Señal/SNR52% AGC74% BER 0 Channel4 (c4l)
10729 = 8.80dB Señal/SNR54% AGC74% BER 0 Channel 4 +1
10744 = 8.20dB Señal/SNR52% AGC74% BER 0 RTE One
10758 = 8.80dB Señal/SNR54% AGC74% BER 0 ITV
10773 = 8.30dB Señal/SNR51% AGC74% BER 0 BBC 1 London
10788 = 8.80dB Señal/SNR54% AGC74% BER 0 BBC 1 Wales
12090 = 7.90dB Señal/SNR48% AGC69% BER 0
12246 = 7.50dB Señal/SNR46% AGC74% BER 0
 
statalite

statalite

Member
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435
My Satellite Setup
Nova-HD-S2, Dr HD D15, V7S
Zone 1 @ 28.2°E with cable tied LNB @ 19.2°E
Channel Master 1.0m (to be setup)
Free sat v8 finder V-71HD
My Location
UK Midlands
Can I ask, was it a myth that the Pace ds430n was good for fringe reception?
 
william-1

william-1

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Location
Epping Forest
My Satellite Setup
OP Gibertini 100 XP+ Inverto Black Ultra 0.2
(50 east to 45 west)
TM6902HD (A/B switch) TM5302HD 1st edition

88cm Dish +Inverto Black Ultra 0.2
(53 east to 45 west)
Octagon SX88+ (A/B switch), Golden Interstar Alpha X
45cm SpiderboxHD9000 28E
My Location
Epping Forest Essex
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Best receivers for Fringe Reception

I have been using a MTI 0.3 Blue line on the 90cm dish & a 0.2 MTI High line on the 100cm Gibi for the last 6 months they worked ok with the TM5402HD M1 & TM5302HD but this Lnb/Receiver combination did give rise to some weaker signals on 26 east,4 west & 7.3 west,

So now that the winds have dropped I went back to the Inverto 0.2 Black Ultra's & the receivers that came out on top were the TM6902HD & Spiderbox HD9000 better reception of weak signals with the top 5 receivers in my list below

1/TM6902 HD T2
2/TM6900 HD Super+
3/Spiderbox HD9000
4/TM5502 HD
5/TM5302 HD
6/TM5402 HD M1
7/TM5402 HD M2
8/DrHD F15
9/TM5402 HD M3
10/TM F-3/5 HD
 
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samoloko

Specialist Contributor
Messages
400
My Satellite Setup
1.8 PFA
My Location
EU
try BCM7362 based E2 receivers like Vu Zero, Formuler F3, Atemio 6200 HD, etc or BCM7356 Vu Solo2, Gigablue Quad, etc see that they will outperform at least 3/4 If not all from list above In terms of tuner reception
 
woborny

woborny

Specialist Contributor
Messages
1,062
My Satellite Setup
1.8m Dish, most Sky and Freesat receivers, 80cm on Illusion motor and Dreambox DM7025, TDT, TDT HD, Ariva 100e,
My Location
Gandia, 70kms south of Valencia, Spain
Can I ask, was it a myth that the Pace ds430n was good for fringe reception?
I hope not,.
I think the tuner in the 2600 was much better than the tuners in the 430...
2600 used to like 2a and 2b north beams much better than the 430s did - (well in my area anyway)
 
timo_w2s

timo_w2s

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Maidenhead, UK & Helsinki, Finland
I hope not,.
I think the tuner in the 2600 was much better than the tuners in the 430...
2600 used to like 2a and 2b north beams much better than the 430s did - (well in my area anyway)
I think the 2600C1 tuner was better too. I have both, and although they looked identical, it was never as good for fringe use. Still use the DS430N in the UK on my Slingbox as it's a good reliable box.
 
dxsat

dxsat

Specialist Contributor
Messages
745
My Satellite Setup
Snap's setup: (In Spain) Humax HDR, Prodelin 1.8m dish + Invacom QDF-031 + CM feed, (In UK) CallFlow VDSL + EE 4G, Sky Q, YouView HD, Mac OSX, iOS
My Location
UK: Tonbridge, Kent. Spain: Madrid.
Can I ask, was it a myth that the Pace ds430n was good for fringe reception?
It is completely true. The 2600 would lock on weaker signals. It also didn't suffer so much from sound break up on marginal signals, as the 430n did, and subsequent Sky boxes still do. These days, the current Freesat Humax boxes perform extremely well in fringe areas and have a number of advantages over Sky receivers, such as multi sat and DiSEqC support.
 
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joddle

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517
My Satellite Setup
2x Pace 2600 C1 (in a box just in case) , 3 x Humax HD Foxstat (2 of which in store as spares) . 3x Manhatten Plaza - Pasat 2.4 PF dish mounted on flat roof with Invacom C120 quad LNB .
My Location
Massanassa, Valencia, Spain
Having had both ds430 and c2600 here in Valencia I have to say the 2600 way outperforms the DS430. The 2600 is much better at selectivity and about the same for sensitivity but here the selectivity is way more important if you want to avoid having to use an attenuator for some channels. I still run two 2600s and have to say they have been the most easy and reliable receivers I have ever used - I have to admit not up to some modern boxes for perfomance admittedly but still pretty damm good and despite their old age no power supply failures or other little nasties which I have had from some much more modern boxes. They remain my trusted backups and seem to cope with anything. Already now well into their second decade I hope they will go on for a bit yet.
 
statalite

statalite

Member
Messages
435
My Satellite Setup
Nova-HD-S2, Dr HD D15, V7S
Zone 1 @ 28.2°E with cable tied LNB @ 19.2°E
Channel Master 1.0m (to be setup)
Free sat v8 finder V-71HD
My Location
UK Midlands
Thanks for the replies re ds430n. Looks like it might not be the most sensitive, but I will still keep it for nostalgia.
 
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