Sorted. I do not use my cameras for surveillance.I just watch and record the birds at my feeders. What I need is decent motion detection and recording.I like Blue Iris it works well for me. Apart from ispy with all the other software that I have tried I have problems getting the software to see my cameras.Probably my fault. I have no problem with blue isis though, a search finds both my cameras .Both are WiFi though one of them has no aerial, it is at the end of a 30 meter lan cable.I have taken the plunge and got a license from Ebay £38. I am sure that it will see my new camera when it arrives. Edit.I am not on commission.