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Message: <blockquote data-quote="palco1603" data-source="post: 28110"><p>The technomate is a waste of time, tried 8000 ci with too many flaws. Topfield is the best receiver with 2 tuners/ hd, but my 4000 doesn't have usb. The new 5000 does and i will have one when the time is right. I know all about extreme boxes but the new hornet has usb but unsure if it is the same as other extremes yet. Getting a topfield receiver in the uk is very difficult, i had to learn some basic german but got it sent on 48hr delivery from a german supplier for £24 +£318 for the box inc 80gb hd. Who said we live in rip off britain was right. The manhattan hd receivers are quite good in operation but i had to scrap mine due to flash memory faults. If i were you I would wait 6 months or so to give the makers a chance to get their products working properly, that includes echostar !!! £700???</p></blockquote><p></p>