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Fringe Reception General
KA reception is a no go so far for me
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<blockquote data-quote="zg3409" data-source="post: 789751" data-attributes="member: 378078"><p>Firstly a little birdie tells me there is no DELIBERATE jamming. However it may be accidental/deliberate from Eutelsat's point of view. The talk is for deliberate interference the broadcaster RTENL from Ireland would need to pay more to broadcast a second time from a different spot.</p><p></p><p>Viperscan, I agree, converting circular to linear is a no go. Especially as the satellite is broadcasting both left hand AND right hand, on roughly the same frequency. Regarding skew it has zero effect, except for the fact it has been designed to work on an offset dish so rotating the LNB by 90 degrees might just reduce the signal a little on an offset feed dish.</p><p></p><p>Viperscan regarding "UK spot" I think everyone is getting a little confused. I left out all the details, they are covered on another thread. Basically there are loads of UK spots, but on different polarisations or frequencies.</p><p></p><p>What we are interested is the left hand circular, higher frequency spot which is labelled "purple" by Eutelsat/tooway broadband. There are three spots all called purple that hit the UK. The Irish spot (with the TV) definitely covers south west wales and west of plymouth. </p><p></p><p>The east scotland spot (also purple) covers east scotland, with overspill as far as Manchester, which may be the cause of trouble.</p><p></p><p>The french spot (the purple one) covers parts of south England. </p><p></p><p>There are other spots that cover central england, northern Ireland only etc. </p><p></p><p>HOWEVER THE LNB HAS THE ABILITY TO SHOW TWO SPOTS AT THE SAME TIME. So we you see in your spectrum 4 internet carriers, you are seeing TWO CARRIERS from PURPLE SPOT, and TWO CARRIERS From green spot.</p><p></p><p>When you select Horizontal, you can see the other two spots. Each spot will be a lightly different level at your location, as each spot is supposed to cover a different region, and overlap partially to give total coverage from at least one spot everywhere.</p><p></p><p>So it's 2 FAT BLOBS per spot.</p><p></p><p>So yes I don't think a bigger dish might help. However a better made small dish with offset feed, may work better, as the "quality" of the surface of the prime focus may not be good enough for 20GHz. The rough surface may be mixing up the signal.</p><p></p><p>Channel hopper please post spectrum photos if you can, as, in London, you should get the french spot stronger than the Irish spot. If you can make the frequency display for each internet carrier as accurate as possible, that would be ideal.</p><p></p><p>As viperscan suggests, we need to confirm 100% what frequencies the east scotland and french purple spots are actually using. If KA LNB's could be loaned to hobbiest in these areas we would know for sure if a deliberate carrier is on the same frequency or it just happens the internet carrier for this area clashes.</p><p></p><p>I suspect on each purple beam the internet carrier is a few MHz different just to reduce unwanted interference in the fringe zones. </p><p></p><p>I would like a table like:</p><p></p><p>Irish Spot</p><p>Saorsat carrier Frequency 20.185</p><p>Lower internet carrier 20.xxxx</p><p>Higher internet carrier 20.xxxx</p><p></p><p>East scotland spot</p><p></p><p>Lower internet carrier 20.xxxx</p><p>Higher internet carrier 20.xxxx</p><p></p><p></p><p>French purple spot</p><p></p><p>Lower internet carrier 20.xxxx</p><p>Higher internet carrier 20.xxxx</p><p></p><p>Attached shows the saorsat carrier (most left) two purple internet carriers, then two Green internet carriers much lower.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zg3409, post: 789751, member: 378078"] Firstly a little birdie tells me there is no DELIBERATE jamming. However it may be accidental/deliberate from Eutelsat's point of view. The talk is for deliberate interference the broadcaster RTENL from Ireland would need to pay more to broadcast a second time from a different spot. Viperscan, I agree, converting circular to linear is a no go. Especially as the satellite is broadcasting both left hand AND right hand, on roughly the same frequency. Regarding skew it has zero effect, except for the fact it has been designed to work on an offset dish so rotating the LNB by 90 degrees might just reduce the signal a little on an offset feed dish. Viperscan regarding "UK spot" I think everyone is getting a little confused. I left out all the details, they are covered on another thread. Basically there are loads of UK spots, but on different polarisations or frequencies. What we are interested is the left hand circular, higher frequency spot which is labelled "purple" by Eutelsat/tooway broadband. There are three spots all called purple that hit the UK. The Irish spot (with the TV) definitely covers south west wales and west of plymouth. The east scotland spot (also purple) covers east scotland, with overspill as far as Manchester, which may be the cause of trouble. The french spot (the purple one) covers parts of south England. There are other spots that cover central england, northern Ireland only etc. HOWEVER THE LNB HAS THE ABILITY TO SHOW TWO SPOTS AT THE SAME TIME. So we you see in your spectrum 4 internet carriers, you are seeing TWO CARRIERS from PURPLE SPOT, and TWO CARRIERS From green spot. When you select Horizontal, you can see the other two spots. Each spot will be a lightly different level at your location, as each spot is supposed to cover a different region, and overlap partially to give total coverage from at least one spot everywhere. So it's 2 FAT BLOBS per spot. So yes I don't think a bigger dish might help. However a better made small dish with offset feed, may work better, as the "quality" of the surface of the prime focus may not be good enough for 20GHz. The rough surface may be mixing up the signal. Channel hopper please post spectrum photos if you can, as, in London, you should get the french spot stronger than the Irish spot. If you can make the frequency display for each internet carrier as accurate as possible, that would be ideal. As viperscan suggests, we need to confirm 100% what frequencies the east scotland and french purple spots are actually using. If KA LNB's could be loaned to hobbiest in these areas we would know for sure if a deliberate carrier is on the same frequency or it just happens the internet carrier for this area clashes. I suspect on each purple beam the internet carrier is a few MHz different just to reduce unwanted interference in the fringe zones. I would like a table like: Irish Spot Saorsat carrier Frequency 20.185 Lower internet carrier 20.xxxx Higher internet carrier 20.xxxx East scotland spot Lower internet carrier 20.xxxx Higher internet carrier 20.xxxx French purple spot Lower internet carrier 20.xxxx Higher internet carrier 20.xxxx Attached shows the saorsat carrier (most left) two purple internet carriers, then two Green internet carriers much lower. [/QUOTE]
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