LNB , how to know is dead?

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Check that your Longitude is set to 0.26 West.
Using the positioner setup option, in your receivers menu, you should be able to manually step East/West, using the fine movement option, and maximise your signal quality.
Once that is done you should store it, then check if you can get more channels, especially both Vertical, and Horizontal polarity channels.
 

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Is that picture from a dishpointer app or so?

The outputnumbers are strange, if that would be the outcome for motorized systems / true north/south:
Distance (to satellite/to clarke belt) 0 km?
Elevation 30 degree?
True Azimuth 57.3 degrees?

I would use dishpointer.com (even though it doesn't use the (better) modified motor angles)...

Greetz,
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You should always protect LNB's, especially from water ingress, like any other electrical component. I always use self amalgamating tape, and/or a rubber boot, this includes on any unused output.
If you have easy access, to your dish/LNB, I would still take the option of removing your LNB.
Turn off your receiver.
Take it indoors, then make a fresh cable, it only has to be small, and connect this to your receiver, then to the satellite meter.
You should have a rec, and LNB, listed on your meter, showing which way round you connect it.
When you turn on your receiver, you should get a constant response, a light, and a beeping, providing you have the knob turned down to zero.
This will prove where the problem lies.
Hopefully your LNB is fine, but it's unlikely, given how open, to the elements, it has been.
You also should cover the connections to your motor.

Please post back the results, if you do this test.
Which F connecters rubber boot are best suitable for wet conditions?
Is that picture from a dishpointer app or so?

The outputnumbers are strange, if that would be the outcome for motorized systems / true north/south:
Distance (to satellite/to clarke belt) 0 km?
Elevation 30 degree?
True Azimuth 57.3 degrees?

I would use dishpointer.com (even though it doesn't use the (better) modified motor angles)...

Greetz,
A33
It was from dishpointer.com website. When you choose satellites theuly give an option of motorized dishes.
 

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It was from dishpointer.com website. When you choose satellites theuly give an option of motorized dishes.

Yes, I know that.
But that is just a header, in the list of possibilities.
Choose an option below that header: true south/north... or a specific motor!

(I didn't know that the programm allowed to choose a header! But as I wrote: it gives some nonsense outputs.)

Greetz,
A33
 

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Yes, I know that.
But that is just a header, in the list of possibilities.
Choose an option below that header: true south/north... or a specific motor!

(I didn't know that the programm allowed to choose a header! But as I wrote: it gives some nonsense outputs.)

Greetz,
A33
Ok , thanks. I will do it again.
 

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Which F connecters rubber boot are best suitable for wet conditions?

It was from dishpointer.com website. When you choose satellites theuly give an option of motorized dishes.
I am trying to order F connectors rubber boots for the dish as the rainy days are coming... Any suggestions? I saw some at Amazon simple ones and others more sophisticated. Like you have to click and are hard plastic. Many thanks.
 

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For these languages a monoblock on 13E & 19E is ideal
German and French on 19E;Spanish & Italian on 13E
Use kingofsat,selecting by sat & languages!
Ex:French & Astra 1,add "clear" to select FTA channels https://fr.kingofsat.net/find2.php?...m_genre=&num_crypt=1&num_standard=&ordre=freq
French & 13E

For French,Arte ,Tv5 FBS tv5 Europe and LCP are the most useful,
Arte on 13E,others on 19E
German ,19E only,around 40 channels , all their tv channels!
Italian,only keep the RAI ones,others are trash.
spanish,TVE on 13E,regional and Cuba on 19E
portuguese only RTP on 13E 12111V,27500(Portugal);;;;
Brasil is dead on sat,try online tv brasil.br ....https://tvbrasil.ebc.com.br/
and youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSv9d0kQegylHWpP83jWSQg
Brazil, Hispasat has the two Record channels (News and General Entertainment), 10.770 and 12.130 H
 

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How about those F connectors? Any feedback?"
Auline 5 x Rubber Boot Cover for Coaxial Coax Cable LNB Satellite F Connector Waterproof Outdoor RG6 WF100 RG59: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Auline-Coa...nector&qid=1697114363&sprefix=,aps,450&sr=8-4
And "Inbrackets Compression F Connector Professional CMX100 for CT100 WF100 coaxial COAX Satellite Aerial Cable (10 Pack): Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inbrackets...nector&qid=1697114444&sprefix=,aps,450&sr=8-5
I am trying to order F connectors rubber boots for the dish as the rainy days are coming... Any suggestions? I saw some at Amazon simple ones and others more sophisticated. Like you have to click and are hard plastic. Many thanks.

 

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If you get the Compression LNB's, I think you will need a tool.
I can't find any spare rubber boots, to check, but those you've posted look fine.
All you do is remove your F Connedctors, Slide the rubber boot, onto the cable, re-connect your F Connetor, then push the boot over your connector and into the LNB slot.
 

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Brazil, Hispasat has the two Record channels (News and General Entertainment), 10.770 and 12.130 H
Lyngsat also mentions a Brazil channel on the west beam of 68.5E, which can be received in Shoreham but is relatively low on the horizon.
 

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You can get weather proof coax connectors, they come with an internal "O" ring, you will also need the compression tool to install them, take a look on Amazon, I use them in all my installs, never had one leak yet.
 

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Yes, I know that.
But that is just a header, in the list of possibilities.
Choose an option below that header: true south/north... or a specific motor!

(I didn't know that the programm allowed to choose a header! But as I wrote: it gives some nonsense outputs.)

Greetz,
A33
Hello A33, here is the location at dishpointer.com as you said? Is it correct now? Thanks ☮️IMG_20231012_181038604.jpg
 

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That looks like the proper values.
Motor latitude scale 50.8 = motor elevation 39.2 degrees
Dish elevation scale 30 - 7.4(declination) = 23 (or rather 22.6).

Were those the values that you used, for your setup?

greetz,
A33
 

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I am using them bit pricy but I think it’s well worth the money
I bought them before Brexit with free postage though.
£12.36 for 10 including postage now


One of the above connector weight more than 5 cheap ones.
 

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I am trying to order F connectors rubber boots for the dish as the rainy days are coming... Any suggestions? I saw some at Amazon simple ones and others more sophisticated. Like you have to click and are hard plastic. Many thanks.
Better not to use very sophisticated and tight rubber boots. Simple rubber tube long enough to cover F-con and couple of cm of cable is good, provided that tube's upper end is covered by LNBs plastic case and tube itself is firmly in place and can't move away from the connector. Reason for this is simple and solely guided by physics - water can go in easily, but can't get out. So, the connector and cable should be protected from direct rain showers, but must have vented at down end to release water vapour which has somehow got inside. If there is "sauna" inside the connection, it corrodes more quickly than no cover at all.

I have my oldest LNB-s in service about 15 years with no maintance or repair including F-connectors, they are covered with simple plastic sliding cover which are built-in with LNB's case. And here in Estonia weather around antennas is quite harsch - over +60 centigrades with Sun-heated dark roofing to -20 at winter with penetrating wind and snowflakes (including some heavy snowfalls when only tips of the dishes is to see under half a meter snow on the roof), now at autumn it just rains and storms.
 

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A simple solution to keep water out of the connectors, use some dielectric grease meant for coax connections, a little dab will do yah.

Just make sure it's for electrical connections, as some stuff for tail and head lights will affect the center conductor insulation.

This stuff is safe.
Code:
https://www.amazon.com/Stuf-STUF-Dielectric-Dielectric-Waterproofing-Grease/dp/B00SS1J4JG
 

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That looks like the proper values.
Motor latitude scale 50.8 = motor elevation 39.2 degrees
Dish elevation scale 30 - 7.4(declination) = 23 (or rather 22.6).

Were those the values that you used, for your setup?

greetz,
A33

That looks like the proper values.
Motor latitude scale 50.8 = motor elevation 39.2 degrees
Dish elevation scale 30 - 7.4(declination) = 23 (or rather 22.6).

Were those the values that you used, for your setup?

greetz,
A33
Then the 7 degrees on your dish elevation scale is wrong; it should be Bend angle (usually 30/35/40 degrees) MINUS 6.74 degrees.
SG2100 has 30 degrees tilt in motor axis I believe, so in your case set the dish elevation scale to about 23.26*

Hello I retrieved our conversation when I was trying to set up my dish/ motor back in 2017.
Looks like I set up according to your parameters.
I will.go up later to see and take some pictures again and send to you and we will work from that.
Many thanks.
Another thing, I have managed to scam more channels from 19.2 east buy the signal is around 57% and some HD channels it cannot open.
13.e nothing appears. I scanned other satellites but nothing appears in any type of scan... Blind, manual, single satellite, find new channels, new transponders, nothing at all. Only=astra 19.2east . Cheers
 

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Please go into your menu, Tuning and scanning, select Positioner setup, and try using the fine movement options, to step the dish East, and West, to maximize your signal quality.
Your motor might no longer be finding the satellites, correctly, you can adjust this by altering your Longitude settings, by small amounts, to compensate.
If you have tried using the positioner setup option, and I've missed your posting, I apologise, as many other people have become involved, and thus I miss some posts.
 
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