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[solly]

footprint of astra 2f it same like astra 1n
uk beam we can see much better then astra 1n

 

[Analoguesat]

The UK beam footprints we have seen of Astra 2F are a high power blob over the UK. And nothing else. There no indication of exactly what the beam shaping is going to be like or how sharp the edge drop off is going to be. One of the members has made some guesses to produce a possible map but its all smoke and mirrors until the bird is safely in orbit and the first transponders start going on air.

The high power blob is similar to the Astra 1N uk coverage granted, but that doesnt mean the fringe area beam shape is going to be the same, or that the edge power drop off is going to be the similar.

 

[Brillo77]

Looks like I will be signing up to Nova again. When is the Astra 2F satellite due to launch?

 

[Analoguesat]

End of this year. So in service early next year

 

[Analoguesat]

Looks like I will be signing up to Nova again. When is the Astra 2F satellite due to launch?

Its only the UK beam you are likely to have problems with Which will be basically the fta PSB stuff. There are pan European beams on 2E - 2G as well as the UK beams. We expect much of the Sky pay stuff to stay on the European beams.

 

[timo_w2s]

Its only the UK beam you are likely to have problems with Which will be basically the fta PSB stuff. There are pan European beams on 2E - 2G as well as the UK beams. We expect much of the Sky pay stuff to stay on the European beams.

Footprints for the Nordic and eastern side of Europe don't look good though. The current published footprints are more "Pan-Western Europe" but I guess we'll have to wait and see how fast they drop off to the east.

 

[M60]

Its only the UK beam you are likely to have problems with Which will be basically the fta PSB stuff. There are pan European beams on 2E - 2G as well as the UK beams. We expect much of the Sky pay stuff to stay on the European beams.

Do you reckon longer term they'll push some of the pay TP's over to spotbeams too if they want to reuse spectrum on the N.African or Middle Eastern beams once SES have established these new orbital slots in that part of the world?

 

[andrewcrawford]

Do you reckon longer term they'll push some of the pay TP's over to spotbeams too if they want to reuse spectrum on the N.African or Middle Eastern beams once SES have established these new orbital slots in that part of the world?

dnt see why they need to, as far as i know they can put any trasnponder on any of the beams so the only reason to put it on the spot beam would be to restrict coverage either for fta or you dnt want overspill even with encyption

 

[M60]

dnt see why they need to, as far as i know they can put any trasnponder on any of the beams so the only reason to put it on the spot beam would be to restrict coverage either for fta or you dnt want overspill even with encyption

Yes I agree to some extent but if the Middle East and African beams require expansion (which are both growth markets for SES) they may need to restrict the UK/European 28.2E widebeams as more Ku spectrum is activated on these other beams, thus to avoid interference issues. Just a thought??

 

[timo_w2s]

Yes I agree to some extent but if the Middle East and African beams require expansion (which are both growth markets for SES) they may need to restrict the UK/European 28.2E widebeams as more Ku spectrum is activated on these other beams, thus to avoid interference issues. Just a thought??

Perhaps that's already been considered somewhat as the "pan-European" beam doesn't officially serve the eastern side of Europe. Cyprus, for example, is well within the Astra 2E Middle East beam coverage.

 

[solly]

Its only the UK beam you are likely to have problems with Which will be basically the fta PSB stuff. There are pan European beams on 2E - 2G as well as the UK beams. We expect much of the Sky pay stuff to stay on the European beams.

the astra 2f will be also pan europe beam
we not know if it replace also astra 2b same time or to wait to astra 2e mid 2013
it big questen

 

[solly]

Do you reckon longer term they'll push some of the pay TP's over to spotbeams too if they want to reuse spectrum on the N.African or Middle Eastern beams once SES have established these new orbital slots in that part of the world?

the beam africa it have astra 2b spot mean
maybe astra 2f have african can be replace both 1n and 2b q4 this year 2012

 

[andrewcrawford]

the beam africa it have astra 2b spot mean
maybe astra 2f have african can be replace both 1n and 2b q4 this year 2012

2b or 2a wont move until 2f and 2e are there so they have backup, but 1n will probally go not long after 2f is there

 

[tothbros]

andrew, i saw you gave your predictions to some ppl here before...whats your educated guess for me in budapest, hungary as far as 2f? right now with a 150 gibertini i'm picking up most verticals from 1n, but struggling with horizontals 10862 upwards.

 

[andrewcrawford]

andrew, i saw you gave your predictions to some ppl here before...whats your educated guess for me in budapest, hungary as far as 2f? right now with a 150 gibertini i'm picking up most verticals from 1n, but struggling with horizontals 10862 upwards.

i will need to find it on a map and work out roughly the power then you would need ot use one of those power to dish size converter to know hte dish size required, unfortnally the spot beam published i think only goes as far as germany ill try get a picture that cover more of europe maybe i will see if i can use the eurpeon beam to give predictions but bear in mind that is prediction based on the current beam and beam shaping tehconologies that can beseen fro other recent bbirds

 

[andrewcrawford]

ok i have tried to super impose the uk beam onto the pan eurpeon beam and then extend it so i can extened it as far as i can, i have took it down to power of 32dbmw the alternating lines of blue and red are from odd and even powers

 

[andrewcrawford]

i hope i am wrong as my image would suggest a lot of expats not getting teh fta channels anymore without a dish upgrade and ome might nto get it at all no matter what size dish

 

[tothbros]

thanks, andrew! actually hungary is still a bit more to the east on that picture from the eastern-most line of 35, and according to the converter that means a dish size of 3m, then if you are right, 2f will be near impossible in hungary...i know it's all a guessing game at thins point, but...lets hope, anyhow

thanks again for the graph!

 

[solly]

please edit agian foot privet extnted blue line after 45eirp to know if it arriveto turkey or greece very important east countery

 

[andrewcrawford]

please edit agian foot privet extnted blue line after 45eirp to know if it arriveto turkey or greece very important east countery

its extened to 32 the last line is 32 if i am right on the grpah, which is bit inaccurate due to me not been able to draw the lines good but is pretty much on wha ti think power levels owuld beapart from the spain side which should extend a bit further down but not by much.

the power levels at greece would be at best 2 or 3 dbmw but i think it will be 0 the power will go east a little more but the power drops big style very sharply even more than i am showing just now