Help Required Motor does not move

Thanks, yah I kinda figured that out.

Is this a new motor?? Or an existing motor and your replacing the receiver??

I have installed and replaced dozens of motors over the years and have never ran into one that wont move when just replacing the receiver, if it works with the old receiver then it could be something wrong with the new receiver.
 
sonnetpete said:
I found this on a Linux Sat forum, which may be of interest...

zgemma wont move dish ? - Forum - LinuxSat
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Very very very interssting .. but what is a "low powers LNB" ???
Because .. if we are talking about an LNB that uses too much power so the motor don't get enough ... then I have tried both with and without LNB connected.

So how this can be the truth I don't know ...
 
It isn't the LNB power consumption (you have already disconnected it earlier)

Don't forget there are many forums with members that will discredit other suppliers' kit for the their own benefit, we have had it on this site before now.
 
Henrik Andersen said:
I have ordered a new motor ... just for the fun of it ... there is a little waiting time as it is not in stock .. so I wait ....
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A pity you are out of the country, I would have had no problem posting a second-hand Moteck/Technomate clone if you were UK based.
 
If the receiver it's self due to it's design, can't supply the necessary DC starting current to the motor it wont move the motor. (surge current when the motor first starts turning)

Some receivers I see over here can only supply 400 mA of DC current at the LNB input port, on some long runs of coax this has been a problem.

I dont see in the manual or on their web site as to what this specification is for that reciever. is it marked on the back???
 
Selecting a Horizontally polarised target channel can help in some instances of reluctance for a DiSEqC motor to shift.
 
Terryl said:
If the receiver it's self due to it's design, can't supply the necessary DC starting current to the motor it wont move the motor. (surge current when the motor first starts turning)

Some receivers I see over here can only supply 400 mA of DC current at the LNB input port, on some long runs of coax this has been a problem.

I dont see in the manual or on their web site as to what this specification is for that reciever. is it marked on the back???
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There are no specs neither on the back of the receiver or the manual. I states nowhere that it has to be certain type of LNB.

The cable is RG6 and only 15 metres long.
 
a33 said:
Here's a Zgemma H7S that needed another image (OpenPLI) than OpenAtv to drive a motor: STAB 90 Dish Motor Needs More Power!

Here also the motor plugin was needed for the H7S: Zgemma H7

Don't know if you can also find them for the H9S?

A33.
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Now I can rule out that it is the motor .. I have just received a new Stab H90 and it is the same problem. No movement,

I have also tried installing OpenPLI and the result is the same. No moement.

I have again installed the plugin satelliteequipmentcontrol but that has no effect. Of course I have not changed any of the settings in that plugin, because I have no idea what it means, and I cant find anyone who knows the needed settings for this plugin. The guy in another forum that stats he has set the values to "minimum" and now it "works" he does not tell what settings he change and to what.

Now I have installed OpenVIX 5.2 and it is the same.

So I can conclude that this Zgemma does not work or is so special that it cannot be used in practise.

Thank you for all your help guys.
 
That's strange as the Zgemma H9S appears to be an Enigma 2 receiver, and most work in a similar way, with most images.
First you set the tuner up, in the menu, to either simple, single, Diseqc, motorized, or advanced, then set up the rest of your preferences.
I think you must have a faulty receiver, I would contact your supplier to discuss either a replacement or a refund, and see if they can supply any more information.
Have you tried contacting Zgemma?
Code: 
https://www.zgemma.co.uk/index.php?route=common/home

Have you ever used an Enigma 2 receiver before?
If so can you please connect to it, from your PC, using openwebif, all you need to do is type your receivers IP address, into your PC's web browser, and you should connect to it.
Once done please take some screen grabs, of the menus, and the wat there set up.
There are some youtube videos, showing how to set one up, but unfortunately the one I've found shows him using a single satellite dish pointing at 28.2E
 
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Henrik Andersen said:
Now I can rule out that it is the motor .. I have just received a new Stab H90 and it is the same problem. No movement,

I have also tried installing OpenPLI and the result is the same. No moement.

I have again installed the plugin satelliteequipmentcontrol but that has no effect. Of course I have not changed any of the settings in that plugin, because I have no idea what it means, and I cant find anyone who knows the needed settings for this plugin. The guy in another forum that stats he has set the values to "minimum" and now it "works" he does not tell what settings he change and to what.

Now I have installed OpenVIX 5.2 and it is the same.

So I can conclude that this Zgemma does not work or is so special that it cannot be used in practise.

Thank you for all your help guys.
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I think you meant that it is the receiver at fault, not the motor, as the second motor did the same thing.

I don't think the software guys for that box did their jobs right, if the Diseqc commands are correct to move a standard Diseqc motor you should not be having these problems.

And in the manual for this receiver there is no mention or section on how to setup a motor with this receiver, so I think they left that part out of the main software.

I would return the receiver for a different make, one that is known to run a motorized system.
 
Ordering the same motor as the last one does not rule it out from being behind the trouble.

I can post a used but working Moteck out to you for the cost of postage if you wish. It won't be until Tuesday though
 
I wouldn't think there is a need to try another brand of motor.
Between brands of motors, the diseqc command for GotoX can be different (or was that so only in the past?), but that isn't the case for the commands MoveLeft or MoveRight and for GotoNn, and Henrik has tried all of those, with no effect.

@Henrik Andersen :
It's a pity that the OpenPLI didn't work also.
Can you post pictures of the menu screen for the plugin? Maybe we can be of help for the settings.
We know a bit about diseqc here; and I personally don't know much about OpenPLI or OpenVix etc, but maybe others do.


BTW If it is just your Zgemma and not all Zgemma H9S that cannot move a motor, you could test that at the shop, while bringing your motor with you, when you return your present Zgemma.

greetz,
A33
 
1) Only the o/p knows where the rotors are coming from,
2) How many other Zgemma owners on the forum are using Stab Italia for their steerable systems ?
 
a33 said:
I wouldn't think there is a need to try another brand of motor.
Between brands of motors, the diseqc command for GotoX can be different (or was that so only in the past?), but that isn't the case for the commands MoveLeft or MoveRight and for GotoNn, and Henrik has tried all of those, with no effect.

@Henrik Andersen :
It's a pity that the OpenPLI didn't work also.
Can you post pictures of the menu screen for the plugin? Maybe we can be of help for the settings.
We know a bit about diseqc here; and I personally don't know much about OpenPLI or OpenVix etc, but maybe others do.


BTW If it is just your Zgemma and not all Zgemma H9S that cannot move a motor, you could test that at the shop, while bringing your motor with you, when you return your present Zgemma.

greetz,
A33
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Back to OpenATV 6.3 and here is pictures of the Equipment Satellite Control
The settings are default .. I have changed nothing.
 

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So, nothing like raw diseqc commands or so (alas), but many delay possibilities.
I guess the delay is in millisec, as it is in this thread: [TV] - Support for uncommited diseqc swithes (1.1), support for cascaded diseqc commands
(W10 means: wait 10 millisec).

Does it make sense to alter these values, and if so: which of them, I wonder?
Of course you could double or triple them all. You could try, of course, but I don't see an apparent reason why that would help.

Except maybe one, as I am still puzzled by the strange motor behaviour around zero degrees. Could that be because of a reset command?
So what happens when you set the 'delay after diseqc reset command' to 1000 ( =1 sec, I presume) ?

'Motor Running timeout': I don't what that is, and what the value means.

'Motor command retries': No problem with testing that on 2, for instance.


Don't know much about why there are so many different delay-possibilities....

(BTW. Did you try how your motor reacts to your Zgemma, after moving the motor to another position with another receiver? Does it do the 1-degree movement on the new position, or does it go to zero and do the one degree movement (depending on which side you are coming from) over there?)

Greetz,
A33
 
Just for information, I have no bother running my Zgemma H9S using USALS (28e - 30w) on a Technomate 2600 motor. Image in use is OpenATV 6.3.
 
radioclash said:
Just for information, I have no bother running my Zgemma H9S using USALS (28e - 30w) on a Technomate 2600 motor. Image in use is OpenATV 6.3.
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Post all your settings (photos would help) for him to cross check against to see what he has maybe missed somewhere.
 
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