the make is fortec star, i did not realize my post was in here, i must have put it in the wrong section. I think what rd said is what i will do, otherwise i am using just an ordinary lnb and possibly not getting the best from the dish, but apart from all that how it stands at the moment 53 to 55% at night time, at 2pm daytime, about 42% on the mbc and one channel, othewise some of the other frequencies are about 50% during the day. I think the mbc are one of the more weaker frequencies. Anything below 40% picture breaks up. the fine tuning what was mentioned, it is believe me, done properley, i spend up to 1 hour with a portable tele out in the garden watching the signal and i can peak the signal up to 1%. I will try and put some photos on the net later on.