Sky uk end service 2027 or 2028

75% of new Sky installs are streaming services now so the importance of satellite delivery will certainly decrease over the next few years. :(

However personally I would say there is very little chance of Sky discontinuing satellite delivery in the 2027/8 timeframe (And when satellite delivery closes down I certainly wont be paying for a subscription to SKY-IPTV - the missus can do with sign ups to free services :-rofl2
 
some information not clear bicose sky uk will be replace satellite
u dont know when replace 2e 2f 2g ?
2 i got same information moviestar move uhd this september
 
solly said:
some information not clear bicose sky uk will be replace satellite
u dont know when replace 2e 2f 2g ?
2 i got same information moviestar move uhd this september
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To be honest I doubt the satellittes will be replaced. There hasnt been any news on any replacements. One may be kept in service using a MEV spacetug as the satellite service winds down and if enough long term contracts are signed its possible one new satellite could be put into service but there certainly wont be 3 new satellites for 28E. The shareholders in SES will never sanction multi million pound replacements that could not possibly earn the vast build launch & operational fees that modern satellites require.

Sadly the futture is IPTV & we are in the golden age of tv delivery via satellite. Make the most of our hobby as its now an endangered species - the satellite tv landscape will look vastly different in 20 years time with far fewer tv satellites & orbital slots in use..
 
Astra 2F is due to reach its 15 years of operational life in 2027/8, Astra 2E in 2028/9 and Astra 2G in 2030 - however the modern SES fleets have more often than not been able to get a few years more out of their operational lifespans (closer to 18-20 years before hitting inclined orbits that make them unsuitable for DTH viewing) and even then, as @Analoguesat mentions, MEV vehicles could be put into place to give one of these birds service for UK spot beam services a few more years beyond that, if necessary.

There's been no announcement from SES as to any new satellites replacing the current fleet at 28E - they've essentially given up their 31.5E slot, taking the Astra 5B bird from there and moved it to 23.5E, renamed it Astra 3C and is operating a few transponders in tandem with Astra 3B. There's also been no announcement about replacing Astra 4A at 4.8E, which is now over 16 years old - SES5 (which is 4.5 years younger) exists there and could perhaps use its Nordic beam for broadcasting the Home 3 services in Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania, but it has no known pan-European beam IIRC which would mean not only the Ukranian services moving elsewhere, but also the SIS racing feeds aimed at UK & Irish bookmakers too.
 
I wouldnt be surprised if an elderly inclined SES satellite is moved to 31.5E to keep the slot at least nominally active (even if in reality we all know its never actually powered up) But 31.5E as an operational slot is dead - and lets be honest it never really took off.

SES5 at 5E is an interesting case as its got a large African payload. Now as rural Africa is years if not decades behind Europe in iptv infrastructure rollout, that is exactly the sort of mission I can see tv satellites being in use for many many years to come..
 
It will be interesting to see which of the major European orbital slots is the first to be abandoned. Id hazard a guess 13E is safe for the time being as it serves such a large area, & 5E as it serves rural parts of Africa.


But 16E 19E & 28E & probably 30W have to all be vulnerable in the next decade or so as ip delivery of tv increases.
 
Satellite is the best reliable broadcasting way till now. Optical fiber is good, fast but full of unpredictable problems as interruptions, due to roadworks and road excavations, fires and natural disasters. Optical fiber network is a complete mess (as it is structured), just one cut and many services are affected in many countries at the same time. Satellite signals are point to point, apart rain disturb (only for KU Band,not C Band).
 
When 28e shuts down 19.2 might bring the satellite hobbie back in fashion in the UK.
 
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To be honest I doubt the satellittes will be replaced. There hasnt been any news on any replacements. One may be kept in service using a MEV spacetug as the satellite service winds down and if enough long term contracts are signed its possible one new satellite could be put into service but there certainly wont be 3 new satellites for 28E. The shareholders in SES will never sanction multi million pound replacements that could not possibly earn the vast build launch & operational fees that modern satellites require.

Sadly the futture is IPTV & we are in the golden age of tv delivery via satellite. Make the most of our hobby as its now an endangered species - the satellite tv landscape will look vastly different in 20 years time with far fewer tv satellites & orbital slots in use..
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Satellite reception could never be relegated until cable delivered services are immune to attack.
Yes it is expensive to launch a payload into orbit, but there is nothing else currently that provides better security on provider content.

Anyone of my age would know the losses have always been through carving up territories, opening up exploitation through the next best thing.
 
Paolo71 said:
Satellite is the best reliable broadcasting way till now. Optical fiber is good, fast but full of unpredictable problems as interruptions, due to roadworks and road excavations, fires and natural disasters. Optical fiber network is a complete mess (as it is structured), just one cut and many services are affected in many countries at the same time. Satellite signals are point to point, apart rain disturb (only for KU Band,not C Band).
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That is irrelevant to the broadcasters. Its cheaper to broadcast via iptv rather than rent transponders which cost millions of £ / Eu / $ per year. Plus they have all the advantages of instant audience research when using iptv delivery - as Ive mentioned in a previous thread..
 
mike1 said:
When 28e shuts down 19.2 might bring the satellite hobbie back in fashion in the UK.
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The golden age of hobby satellite tv is at least 10 years in the past. Folk in general arent interested in having dishes to watch exotic countries. And for the vanishingly small % that have a passing interest its probably available on a web stream. Who would have thought a few years ago you can watch North Korean TV any time you want to just with a few mouse clicks on your computer or taps on your tablet.
 
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That is irrelevant to the broadcasters. Its cheaper to broadcast via iptv rather than rent transponders which cost millions of £ / Eu / $ per year. Plus they have all the advantages of instant audience research when using iptv delivery - as Ive mentioned in a previous thread..
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For sure. I work for tv, with signals and trasmissions, since last 90's, and I can tell that today there is no priority about quality. The most important thing for a broadcaster and customers is to appear, to see and nothing else. Quality and reliability are the last target. Today it's better to save money than appear in a good and safe way. That's why many many channels around the world today have no quality image, just a few Kb/s......
 
Paolo71 said:
For sure. I work for tv, with signals and trasmissions, since last 90's, and I can tell that today there is no priority about quality. The most important thing for a broadcaster and customers is to appear, to see and nothing else. Quality and reliability are the last target. Today it's better to save money than appear in a good and safe way. That's why many many channels around the world today have no quality image, just a few Kb/s......
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The mantra of Murdoch in the 80's, winning over BSB.
 
Analoguesat said:
The golden age of hobby satellite tv is at least 10 years in the past. Folk in general arent interested in having dishes to watch exotic countries. And for the vanishingly small % that have a passing interest its probably available on a web stream. Who would have thought a few years ago you can watch North Korean TV any time you want to just with a few mouse clicks on your computer or taps on your tablet.
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For those with access to 58W.

 
Analoguesat said:
To be honest I doubt the satellittes will be replaced. There hasnt been any news on any replacements. One may be kept in service using a MEV spacetug as the satellite service winds down and if enough long term contracts are signed its possible one new satellite could be put into service but there certainly wont be 3 new satellites for 28E. The shareholders in SES will never sanction multi million pound replacements that could not possibly earn the vast build launch & operational fees that modern satellites require.

Sadly the futture is IPTV & we are in the golden age of tv delivery via satellite. Make the most of our hobby as its now an endangered species - the satellite tv landscape will look vastly different in 20 years time with far fewer tv satellites & orbital slot
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But isn't It too risky for a pay tv with so many subscribers to rely on a MEV mission or a single satellite with no backup?
In my opinion, Sky would require at least two new satellites at 28.2 E to renew its contract with SES.
 
dvdfilm said:
But isn't It too risky for a pay tv with so many subscribers to rely on a MEV mission or a single satellite with no backup?
In my opinion, Sky would require at least two new satellites at 28.2 E to renew its contract with SES.
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But thats the point - Sky have plans to wind down the satellite service & move everyone over to iptv delivery. They wont need 30 or 40 transponders a few years from now. No doubt channels will start being cut from the satellite service to ahem persuade people to start moving over. Just like they did when Sky analogue was being run down.
 
Plus of course with SD transmissions being turned off in favour of HD the transponder loading requirements are dropping steadily.

A quick look at 28E frequencies:

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shows well over a dozen transponders out of service at the current time. That number will only increase over the next couple of years.
 
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