Just picking up on a comment made in my previous thread"In any case you can forget Nagra 3Conax MPEG-4VideoguardViaccess 2.5Viaccess 2.6Irdeto 2They are all secure AFAIK"If as my recent experiences with my Diablo cam are bearing out then the above comment is possibly true. Since my success with keys I acquired over a month ago I have again recently tried numerous key downloads and cannot get hardly any channels to clear on hotbird or astra 2 even though the current channel keys edit shows a key code present. So is the Diablo cam becoming obsolete. Sure the company manufacturing the cam and all that have a vested interest are not going to say so and the websites hosting the key downloads are getting hits on their sites by the thousands wheather the keys work or not are not going to stop. Therfore what is the case. I personaly cannot complain as in the last two years I have had the cam I have had a lot of fun and some reasonable successes and have been delighted in getting something for free, well not free as the cam and programmer cost over £100. However I could not for the moment reccomend a freind buy a Diablo cam as I could not say that he would have much success. I am sure there will come a new device on the market like the q box or something but what of the cam are we now wasting our time trying new key downloads. I am unsure as every now and then you do get keys that work but they seem to be getting fewer and fewer.So what future does Diablo have.It will be interesting to read anyones comments and their experiences