Transfer recorded data from Sky HD box to PC?
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This should get you going in the right direction http://www.satellites.co.uk/satelli...ct-all-recordings-sky-skyhd-non-only-fta.html
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Thank you, Paul R. I was thinking of another alternative way. Buy a hdd dvd recorder and record the data. But will the recordings be at hd quality? If I record HD programmes. Can a hdd recorder be connected to a Sky hd box?
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I don't have HD so can't be definitive hiwever I suspect not.
In an ideal world if the $ly+ box has component output and your DVD recorder can accept component then yes but you may find that dome of the programmes you want to record are diasabled by $ly on the component output, i.e. they're only available on the HDMI output.
In an ideal world if the $ly+ box has component output and your DVD recorder can accept component then yes but you may find that dome of the programmes you want to record are diasabled by $ly on the component output, i.e. they're only available on the HDMI output.
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HDMI connections are *almost* always one way, ie, what is an output is rarely an input.
I suspect the recorder you are thinking of using will not have an HDMI input.
I suspect the recorder you are thinking of using will not have an HDMI input.
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Thank you. One solution would be a hdd dvd recorder. Can one be connected to sky hd box?
In the sky hd box page says that: If you're running out of space on your Sky+HD box's hard disk, you can copy recorded programmes you want to save onto video tape or DVD. While you're making copies you can watch the programme being copied but you can't watch another programme. HD programmes are copied in standard definition quality.
If I get the ordinary Sky box without hd will I be able to connect it to the pc to record some programmes?
In the sky hd box page says that: If you're running out of space on your Sky+HD box's hard disk, you can copy recorded programmes you want to save onto video tape or DVD. While you're making copies you can watch the programme being copied but you can't watch another programme. HD programmes are copied in standard definition quality.
If I get the ordinary Sky box without hd will I be able to connect it to the pc to record some programmes?
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I suspect that they mean that the receiver and recording device are connected by a scart lead, which by definition is an SD link.w4tt4n4b3 said:
As far as I can see, the only way to make an HD recording (theoretically) is to use the component output on early HD boxes (later boes don't have them I believe) and somehow or other make the reording from that.
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You must be right, they must be thinking that the only way to restrict users to copy in SD is to give them only SD outputs available...
When you say early HD boxes? could you give me hint? I mean either name or something else that would help me identify them.
When you say early HD boxes? could you give me hint? I mean either name or something else that would help me identify them.
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Unfortunately I'm only going on what I've read so can't be much help. I think that all $ly HD boxes are made by Thomson so that's no help. Component outputs are phono sockets and there will be 3 of them labelled Y, Pb and Pr. You will also need to arrange for an audio connection to te recorder.
All this assumes that there is a recorder which will accept HD and component of course!
All this assumes that there is a recorder which will accept HD and component of course!
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w4tt4n4b3 said:
ALl you need to do is post an underscore (_) in front of a link before you paste it into the forum:
_http://www.bbc.co.uk
or paste it in and change some of the letters in the start of the address:
hxxp://www.bbc.co.uk
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I got the impression that the problem was not only the direct link but even the reference to another site as well...
Ok then.
If I do it like this is there a problem?
_http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
Ok then.
If I do it like this is there a problem?
_http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
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Dear PaulR, if instead of trying to extract hd recorded data from the pvr box I try to record HD straight to my pc during the broadcast time using a card like this _http://www.blackmagic-design.com/uk/products/intensity/techspecs/ will I have any success?
Can the hdmi port be blocked or the transmitted hd data be under copyright protection system that the pci card won't be able to record anything?
Can the hdmi port be blocked or the transmitted hd data be under copyright protection system that the pci card won't be able to record anything?
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You've obviously done a lot of Googling to find all these products!
The Hauppage PVR is interesting as it seems to be exactly the device I talked about as it an accept component signals. So it should work, I reckon.
The PCI card is also interesting as it is one of the few devices with an HDMI input. The biggest problem, as I see it, will be the HDCP copyright protection that can be applied by the $ly HD box. If the $ly HD box doesn't receive the correct handshake back then it will stop (or not even start!) sending a signal down the HDMI cable.
AFAIK this HDCP hasn't been broken and you will have to rely on the fact that a lot of programmes aren't copyright protected. But I would guess that most of what you want to record will be!
The Hauppage PVR is interesting as it seems to be exactly the device I talked about as it an accept component signals. So it should work, I reckon.
The PCI card is also interesting as it is one of the few devices with an HDMI input. The biggest problem, as I see it, will be the HDCP copyright protection that can be applied by the $ly HD box. If the $ly HD box doesn't receive the correct handshake back then it will stop (or not even start!) sending a signal down the HDMI cable.
AFAIK this HDCP hasn't been broken and you will have to rely on the fact that a lot of programmes aren't copyright protected. But I would guess that most of what you want to record will be!
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Dear PaulR,
Ι can't get it as far as the pci card is concerned. My tv has an hdmi input. If I connect the Sky Hd box to the hdmi input, it will work right? Now how can Sky can recognise that I connect the box with a pci-card and not my tv since both (TV and pci card) have the same input.
I am not very experienced on this field that's why my questions may look naive.
Ι can't get it as far as the pci card is concerned. My tv has an hdmi input. If I connect the Sky Hd box to the hdmi input, it will work right? Now how can Sky can recognise that I connect the box with a pci-card and not my tv since both (TV and pci card) have the same input.
I am not very experienced on this field that's why my questions may look naive.
Quote from the spec:
The HDMI standard sometimes includes copy protection encryption, such as commonly found on DVD players and some brands of set top boxes. When connected to these copy protected sources, the HDMI specification defines that Intensity cards cannot capture. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content. Intensity media file formats are fully compatible with DeckLink and Multibridge capture cards. Compatible with Microsoft Windows™ and Apple Intel based Mac Pro systems. Apple Power PC systems are not yet supported.
The manufacturer wouldn't have a HDMI license without complying with the HDMI standard.
The HDMI standard sometimes includes copy protection encryption, such as commonly found on DVD players and some brands of set top boxes. When connected to these copy protected sources, the HDMI specification defines that Intensity cards cannot capture. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content. Intensity media file formats are fully compatible with DeckLink and Multibridge capture cards. Compatible with Microsoft Windows™ and Apple Intel based Mac Pro systems. Apple Power PC systems are not yet supported.
The manufacturer wouldn't have a HDMI license without complying with the HDMI standard.
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So if the tv material is copy-protected the capture card reads that there is protection and it won't capture...
The same applies for a device like hauppauge?
How can I learn which broadcasts are copy-protected? Interested mainly for Sky Sports channel.
The same applies for a device like hauppauge?
How can I learn which broadcasts are copy-protected? Interested mainly for Sky Sports channel.
w4tt4n4b3 said:
The Hauppauge gadget doesn't have HDMI input.
The component outputs are analogue NOT digital signals.
There is always the chance that the HDMI copy protection might prevent it from capturing the video, even on component.
Why not buy both and report back?;)
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I was not talking about the hauppauge mainly but about the Blackmagic Intensity pro...
But read the following from the sky page (_http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyhelpcentre/producthelp?nodeId=69037876-a1d0-48a9-9f03-354f177d80ab&articleId=2334910)
Copying programmes to video or DVD
If you're running out of space on your Sky+HD box's hard disk, you can copy recorded programmes you want to save onto video tape or DVD. While you're making copies you can watch the programme being copied but you can't watch another programme. HD programmes are copied in standard definition quality.
So according to that, HD programmes can be copied.But I think I need a few clarifications
Case no1: You are running out of space in the SKY Hd box. You can transfer through scart some of the contents of your sky HD box into a videotape or dvd. You can record live/capture only with the SKY HD box. While you copy content from Sky hd box to video or dvd-r you cannot watch any other programme.
Case no2: You are running out of space in the Sky HD box. You can connect a video or a dvd-r through scart with the SKY hd box and record live any programmes you want. So you don't mind PVR hard disk is full. While recording a programme live you can not watch any other programme/channel.
HD programmes are copied in standard definition quality.
Do they mean that when you record them with the PVR are recorded in SD quality?
Do they mean that in the pvr they are recorded as HD but when you want to copy them to dvd or video you have to connect via Scart so the result of copy will be SD.
Do they talk about SD because they did not have in mind that there will be devices with HDMI input?
But read the following from the sky page (_http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyhelpcentre/producthelp?nodeId=69037876-a1d0-48a9-9f03-354f177d80ab&articleId=2334910)
Copying programmes to video or DVD
If you're running out of space on your Sky+HD box's hard disk, you can copy recorded programmes you want to save onto video tape or DVD. While you're making copies you can watch the programme being copied but you can't watch another programme. HD programmes are copied in standard definition quality.
So according to that, HD programmes can be copied.But I think I need a few clarifications
Case no1: You are running out of space in the SKY Hd box. You can transfer through scart some of the contents of your sky HD box into a videotape or dvd. You can record live/capture only with the SKY HD box. While you copy content from Sky hd box to video or dvd-r you cannot watch any other programme.
Case no2: You are running out of space in the Sky HD box. You can connect a video or a dvd-r through scart with the SKY hd box and record live any programmes you want. So you don't mind PVR hard disk is full. While recording a programme live you can not watch any other programme/channel.
HD programmes are copied in standard definition quality.
Do they mean that when you record them with the PVR are recorded in SD quality?
Do they mean that in the pvr they are recorded as HD but when you want to copy them to dvd or video you have to connect via Scart so the result of copy will be SD.
Do they talk about SD because they did not have in mind that there will be devices with HDMI input?