Advice Needed Vu+ Solo 2 - Another question

[jeallen01]

Hi

Unfortunately it's me again!

This time the question relates to how independent the 2 tuners are/are not, from each other.

My aim was (and, I hope, still is) was to have one tuner controlling 9 LNBs on the fixed dishes under DiSEqc 1.1, and with the other independently controlling the steerable dish via USALS or DiSEqc 1.2. - and that's what I have been trying do, but unfortunately it currently does not seem possible.

The problem appears to be that if I select a satellite that is on an LNB that is connected to Tuner 2 (the one with 9 LNBs connected to it), then I cannot tell Tuner 1 to steer the dish to the same satellite - the dish does not move and the displayed signal comes from Tuner 2. OTOH, if I select a satellite that is not connected to an LNB connected to Tuner 2 then the dish does move to that satellite.

Thus, can anyone tell me if my aim is achievable, and if so then how, or am I chasing a dream (or at least with this receiver)?

PS: The receiver is currently running OpenVix 4.0 - so would a change in image make the required changed?

Thanks in advance.

 

[digi247]

Tuner 1 (Motorised dish) will not come into play unless Tuner 2 (9 LNB's) is being used for a recording on one satellite and you want to watch another channel on the same satellite.

 

[jeallen01]

digi247

That's what I'm seeing - I assume that the same is true if the Tuner 1 and Tuner 2 configurations were reversed (i.e. Tuner 1 is connected to the 9 LNBs and Tuner 2 to the dish) - True?

 

[Tururu]

Da igual como los conectes, no cambiara su funcionamiento.
Por logica, mejor fijas/conmutador en el tuner A/1, sera el primero en usar.

El sintonizador trabaja inteligentemente y si puede, no mueve el motor (minimo desgaste).
Si tienes un satelite en la antena fija y con motor, utilizara el sistema mas rapido para llegar a el.
Ganando fija/conmutador siempre.
Solo cuando pidas otro tp del mismo satelite que no puedes ver con la fija usara la antena motorizada.
En mi caso con 4 sintonizadores.
1.-Fija Astra.
2.- Monoblock Astra-Hot Bird.
3.- Motor (por comodidad de conexion), es el ultimo en usar
4.- Astra banda baja/vertical (Instalacion comunitaria propia)
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It does not matter as connect, will not change its performance.
By logic, better still / tuner switch on the A / 1, will be the first to use.

The tuner works intelligently and if you can not move the motor (minimal wear).
If you have a satellite antenna fixed on the engine, use the fastest to reach the system.
Gaining fixed / switch forever.
Only when you ask another tp the same satellite that you can not do with the still used the power antenna.
In my case with 4 tuners.
1. Fixed-Astra.
2. Monoblock Astra-Hot Bird.
3. Motor (for convenience Connection), is the last to use
4. Astra low / vertical band (own community facility)

 

[jeallen01]

Tururu

Thanks, that's what I thought :-(.

It means that I need to rethink how I am going to configure the combination of the TM and the Vu+ - probably with the TM connected to the fixed dishes and the VU+ to the steerable dish. Now I have to work out the best combination of connections to the house as it seems I have 2 options:-

1) Just to connect the TM to one of the 2 usable cables back to the house (there are 2 others but they are for the dish for Astra 2 on 28E) and the Vu+ to the other, and then, maybe, fit a voltage-controlled switch in the house to allow the VU+ to access the cable to the fixed dishes if and when I need to.
OTOH, 15 mins later, I realised that I could just loop one Vu+ tuner through to the other one and then I should be able to record 2 channels anyway - correct?

2) I could fit the Zone 2 dish I still have in the garage to the outside of the house and use that for 28E (the internal cables are already almost completely in place but I have never used them so far) and then use the 2, which then become unused, from the existing 60cm dish for Astra 2 as extra feeds from the end of the garden - with one of them to the 2nd part of the Twin LNB on the steerable dish to allow that to record 2 channels on whatever satellite that dish points to.

Option 1 is the simplest and quickest, so that's where I will start - then I will decide what i would do when/if I do install the Zone 2 dish as in Option 2.

Thanks again to both you and digi247 for taking the time to respond to my question.

 

[Tururu]

Un conmutador por tension al sintonizador que quieras (TM-5402 M3/VU+Solo2) encendido/standby activa conmutador.
El pin8 del Euroconector lo podrias usar para pilotar/activar el circuito conmutador (de 7 a 12Voltios), todo depende del consumo del conmutador y la tension de funcionamiento.

El VU+Solo2 puede grabar 2 tp's (misma banda y polaridad), con el Tuner A conectado en bucle al Tuner B, antena conectada al B.

No, no es un errro el conexionado.
Tienen un defecto (hardware) estos equipos, esta comentado en la red, asi no tendras problemas, configure uno hace 18 meses y lo puse al contrario, funcionando sin problemas con una antena los 2 sintonizadores, cable al A/1 y bucle al B/2, pense que solucionaron el problema.
Hace 15 dias dejo de funcionar sin mas (los tuner por separado ok), se cambio la configuracion y el cable/antena al tuner B/2 y todo OK.
Toma nota.

Suerte con lo que decidas hacer.
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A switch voltage to the tuner you want (TM-5402 M3/VU + Solo2) on/standby switch activated.
The Scart pin8 it could use to drive/activate the switching circuit (7 to 12 volt) all depends on the consumption of the switch and the operating voltage.

The VU + Solo2 can record 2 tp's (same band and polarity), the Tuner A looped to Tuner B, antenna connected to B.

No, it's not a errro wiring.
Have a defect (hardware) these teams, this commented on the network, so you will not have problems, configure one 18 months ago and put it on the contrary, running smoothly with an antenna 2 tuners, cable to the A/1 and loop to B/2, I thought that solved the problem.
15 days ago stopped working no more (the tuner separately ok), settings and cable/antenna tuner B/2 and everything is OK change.
Take note.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[jeallen01]

Tururu

Thank you - I seem to remember that the SCART Pin 8 can have a 0/+12V switching capability and I would like to use that if I can, but the issue that I see, so far, is that I cannot see how to programme the VU+ to set Pin 8 to output to either +12V or 0V.

Many years ago I had an NEC 5000 satellite receiver that had a specific +12V switching option for each channel (it had a lot for the time = 99!) in the menus and it was easy to use because there was a dedicated phono socket for the 0/+12V signal (I still have the correct Global Communications LNB switch) - but I cannot not see anything like that option like that in the Vu+ menus.

So, can you, or anyone else, tell me how to activate the 0/+12V (for each channel, but for each satellite would probably be OK)?

Thanks in advance.

 

[davemurgtroyd]

Is the problem not down to the fact that in the satellite database you can only define how to receive it once - i.e. which lnb or what position on motor and NOT both. Is it possible to get round this by renaming the satellites slightly differently twice - once for fixed lnbs and once for motor. You would have to scan each option separately and rename channels to suit - possibly with suffix f for fixed. Is this feasible?

 

[jeallen01]

Is the problem not down to the fact that in the satellite database you can only define how to receive it once - i.e. which lnb or what position on motor and NOT both. Is it possible to get round this by renaming the satellites slightly differently twice - once for fixed lnbs and once for motor. You would have to scan each option separately and rename channels to suit - possibly with suffix f for fixed. Is this feasible?

Thanks !!

Not at all sure what the underlying issue is, but I'm guessing that the receiver firmware is set to always prioritise a tuner that has a fixed LNB for any satellite that you have specifically chosen for one of the tuners. Thus, if any of the satellite locations for 9 LNBs selected for Tuner 2 is the same as the one that I try to choose to send the dish to via Tuner 1, then it decides that, as Tuner 2 will automatically switch to that satellite anyway, there is no need for Tuner 1 to be "involved" to move a dish to it (or something like that - software programming is out of my league!) and so it selects the signal from Tuner 2.

However, your post has given me an idea that I might be able to "fix" the problem along the lines as you suggest, i.e. by creating a "new" satellite name and location for each satellite that is connected to Tuner 2, e.g. Astra 2X (I think it will be a long time before we get to generation "X" of Astra 2 satellites and I will most certainly not be on this Earthly plain by then!) at 29E (to ensure it appears to be a different orbital location from existing Astra 2 sats at 28.2E) as well as the existing 28E for Astra 2 Then I just replace each of the satellites currently chosen for Tuner 2 by the relevant new one and so the receiver should not then decide that there is any reason to use Tuner 2 when I want to drive the dish to 28.2E via Tuner 1 - Just need to work out how to create a new satellite and location.

BTW: Still interested in a solution to the 0/+12V switch via SCART problem as that could be useful as well.

 

[Tururu]

Una cosa es la opcion de +12Voltios para conmutar la antena, las viejas Dreambox7020Si lo tienen, pudiendo seleccionar que satelites lo tiene activo, el Solo2 no tiene esta opcion.

Aqui es sintonizador encendio y sintonizador standby para activa conmutador ==> 12 voltios ==> 0 Voltios en el pin 8.
Encendido ==> 12 Voltios
Standby ==> 0 Voltios
12Voltios es una referencia, verificar en el sintizador que tenemos.

Asi damos señal al sintonizador que quieres.
La otra opcion es usar un interruptor controlado con un mando a distancia, unos 10€ en Ebay.
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One thing is the option of + 12 volt to switch the antenna, the old Dreambox7020Si have it, you can select satellites has active, the Solo2 does not have this option.

Here is lit tuner and tuner standby switch activates ==> 12 volts ==> 0 volts at pin 8.
On ==> 12 Volts
Standby ==> 0 Volts
12 volt is a reference, check the sintizador we have.

So we signal to the tuner you want.
The other option is to use a controlled with a remote control switch, about 10 € on Ebay.

 

[a33]

I'm not sure what you want with your two receivers.

Do you want to use the receivers simultanuously, or is that not necessary?
Do you want to share only the motorized dish with the two receivers, or also the other 8 (or so) other LNB's?
Do you mostly/only have single LNB's?

Grtz,
A33

Edit: Ah, I see I hadn't read a few of the last postings when I reacted.
Still, how you want to use the combination of receivers is unclear to me.
That might bring other possibilities for solutions.

 

[Tururu]

En el fichero satellites.xml tienes el listado de satelites y tp's.
No se puede marcar que satelite active el conmutador, pues estos decos no tienen la opcion.

Si puedes crear 2 satelites, uno que usaras para el conmutador y otro para el motor.
Usa Notepad++

Personalmente tengo 3 Hispasat.
1.- 29'2ºW Hispasat (feed/fta)
2.- 30'0ºW Hispasat
3.- 30'1ºW Hispasat (add/update)
Lo mismo para
1.- 28'1ºE Astra 2F/E/G
.2- 28'2ºE Astra 2F/E/G
3.- 28'3ºE Astra 2F/E/G

El problema es que tendriamos que crear en Bouquets/Favoritos 2 listados de canales.
Uno que usa el conmutador de antenas y otro el motor.
Personalmente es facil de hacer, pero una perdida de tiempo si tienes que actualizar el listado de canales frecuentemente.

En la configuracion del conmutador, seleccionas las antenas fijas.
En la configuracion del motor en usal, seleccionas los satelites que vera el motor.

No tengo el Solo2, pero los menus son similares en los VU+.
Selecciona los satelites que usar el motor.
Mira en estos menus del VU+DUO2, similares (al final).

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In the satellites.xml file you have the list of satellites and tp's.
You can not dial to activate the switch satellite, as these decos not have the option.

If you can create two satellites, one that you used for the switch and one for the engine.
Use Notepad ++
Personally I have 3 Hispasat.
1. 29'2ºW Hispasat (feed / fta)
2. 30'0ºW Hispasat
3. 30'1ºW Hispasat (add / update)
Ditto for
1. 28'1ºE Astra 2F/E/G
.2- 28'2ºE Astra 2F/E/G
3. 28'3ºE Astra 2F/E/G

The problem is that we would have to create Bouquets / favorites 2 channel listings.
One using the antenna switch and another engine.
Personally it is easy to do, but a waste of time if you have to update the list of channels frequently.

In the switch configuration, you select the fixed antennas.
In the configuration of the engine usal, you select the satellites that will see the engine.

I do not have the Solo2, but the menus are similar in VU +.
Select the satellite to use the engine.
Look at these menus the DUO2, like (at the end).

 

[jeallen01]

Tururu

Thanks for the information and guidance as to what to do - especially about creating multiple satellite "positions" for one satellite.

Never used Notepad++ before, so I downloaded it and opened the recent Catseye channel list which is on the VU+, but I noticed that
- whereas, on the Vu+, the Catseye channel list does have several bouquets (Channels and Feeds) for some satellites (such as 30W) the list I opened in Notepad++ only has one list for 30W, but the ends of some transponder lines are different
- most end in modulation="1"system="0"/>, but some end in modulation="2" system="1" pilot="2" rolloff="0"/>, so could the latter ones be for the 2nd bouquet (e.g. the Feeds) - and if so then does anyone know the significance of the extra or different numeric values & symbols?

 

[Tururu]

Confundes los Bouquets/Favoritos, estos estan =>userbouquet.xxxx.tv que son los canales pescados (estan el fichero lamedb, mejor no tocar) con la relacion de tp's que tiene el sintonizador en el fichero satellites.xml.
Si quieres tener un saltelite A para las antenas fijas y un satelite B para la antena con motor, tienes que crear 2 satelites y realizar la busqueda de tp's, luego ordenar en 2 bouquets distintos, como digo, un buen lio la verdad, pero es lo que quieres, ejemplo.
En el fichero satellites.xml tendras al final

Astra a 19 fijo.
Astra a 19 motor.

De entrada es copiar la misma relacion de tp's que tiene en el nuevo "satelite", la diferencia para que no te lies, uno se llamara (por ejemplo).

<sat name="19.2E Astra 1KR/1L/1M/1N fija" flags="0" position="191">
La misma relacion de tp.

<sat name="19.2E Astra 1KR/1L/1M/1N motor" flags="0" position="192">
La misma relacion de tp.

Que editor de canales usas?
DreamboxEdit /DreamSet
Los 2 programas comentados permiten editar los tp y muestran el significado del valor numerico.
Pero es uno a uno y es incomodo para mi.

Foto de los valores en DreamboxEdit.

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They are different things.
userbouquet.xxxx.tv que son los canales pescados (estan el fichero lamedb, mejor no tocar) con la relacion de tp's que tiene el sintonizador en el fichero satellites.xml. ">Bouquets/Favorites, these are => userbouquet.xxxx.tv channels that are fish (file lamedb are better not touch) with tp's relationship having the tuner on the satellites.xml file.
If you want a saltelite A for fixed antennas and satellite B to the antenna motor, you have to create 2 satellites and search tp's, then order on 2 different bouquets, as I say, a good mess truth, but what you want, example.
In the satellites.xml file you will have at the end

Astra 19 fixed.
Astra 19 engine.

Input is to copy the same ratio tp's that has the new "satellite", the difference for you no lies, one called (for example).

"<Sat name = "19.2E Astra 1KR/1L/1M/1N fixed" flags = "0" position = "191">
The same ratio tp.

"<Sat name = "19.2E Astra 1KR/1L/1M/1N engine" flags = "0" position = "192">
The same ratio tp.

That channel editor you use?
DreamboxEdit / DreamSet
2 programs allow you to edit the tp commented and show the significance of the numerical value.
But one by one and is uncomfortable for me.

Photo DreamboxEdit values.

Usando notepad++ es copiar y pegar el satelite entero que tienes, modificando el nombre del satelite fijo e el otro satelite motor.
En la fija, varias la posicion restando 0'1 a lo que indique.
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Using Notepad ++ is copy and paste the entire satellite you have, changing the name of the fixed-satellite and other satellite engine.
In the fixed position by subtracting the number of 0'1 to what indicated.

 

[jeallen01]

Tururu

Thank you very MUCH again - I think I can do that!!

 

[Tururu]

Copiar y pegar el nuevo satelite, solo renombrando el satelite y posicion.

Recuerda que para los feed, utilizaras la busqueda ciega.
En la lista que tengo (satellites.xml) estan por defecto y no añadi ninguno extra.
El Solo2, en Astra 19E recuerdo que tarda 15minutos, en Hispasat no mire.
El DUO2 en Astra 19E son 5 minutos y en Hispasat 11minutos, los feed duelen.
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Copy and paste the new satellite, the satellite only renaming and position.

Remember that for the feed, will use the blind search.
In the list that I have (satellites.xml) are default and did not add any bonus.
The Solo2 in Astra 19E remember it takes 15minutes, do not look at Hispasat.
The DUO2 in Astra 19E are 5 minutes in Hispasat 11minutos, the feed hurt.