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Einstein's Alcove
What existed before time and space?
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<blockquote data-quote="Snowy" data-source="post: 277058" data-attributes="member: 175428"><p>This interesting topic just caught my eye, since little else happening on the forum for a MR owner.</p><p></p><p>Sounds lke JTA is clued up, or as much as anyone who delves into this kind of thins can be. Even Prof Hawking gets it wrong sometimes! JTAs description is similar to my own 'belief', as I'm no expert on the technical level. What I imagine is that the Universe, (as in the one that our Milky Way and other galaxies exists), is only one of many. One of many that is that either exist now, or have existed in the past. If you agree on the definition of infinity, then there are some inescapable 'facts';</p><p></p><p>1. Space, or shall we call it 'nothingness' goes on and on and on.... etc. Forever. In all imaginable directions, (and possibly some unimaginable ones too).</p><p>2. Time, or again we shall call it the passing of every history, ever, ever.. etc. has gone on and will go on forever.</p><p></p><p>We can get hung up about the meaning and structure of time; our time as we know and use it is a wholy man-made commodity. We use it to guage a trail back to some event, or to assess the path towards some event that we have not yet realised. Take Hawking's and Penrose's conclusion that the Big Bang was born out of a Singularity, of infinite density and infinitely small, and that this in some way became unstable and decided to pop; you must conclude from this that there is an inference to a state of existence BEFORE the Big Bang happened!</p><p></p><p>So, our Universe has at least some form of boundary, beyond which there will be nothingness until the next universe is reached. This may be a long way away, otherwise there would be gravitation attraction and merging taking place. Perhaps this does take place, and we just haven't experience such an event in our known history. But the BIG picture in my mind is of a vast and never-ending arena within which the same type of events, (Big Bangs), continuously occur. If you could see a speeded up film of this from say 'God's' viewpoint, it would resemble a mud-flat in Iceland, boiling all the time with new universes and old ones popping out of existence. This situation will have been around for ever (in time) and stretches forever (in 'space'). I think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snowy, post: 277058, member: 175428"] This interesting topic just caught my eye, since little else happening on the forum for a MR owner. Sounds lke JTA is clued up, or as much as anyone who delves into this kind of thins can be. Even Prof Hawking gets it wrong sometimes! JTAs description is similar to my own 'belief', as I'm no expert on the technical level. What I imagine is that the Universe, (as in the one that our Milky Way and other galaxies exists), is only one of many. One of many that is that either exist now, or have existed in the past. If you agree on the definition of infinity, then there are some inescapable 'facts'; 1. Space, or shall we call it 'nothingness' goes on and on and on.... etc. Forever. In all imaginable directions, (and possibly some unimaginable ones too). 2. Time, or again we shall call it the passing of every history, ever, ever.. etc. has gone on and will go on forever. We can get hung up about the meaning and structure of time; our time as we know and use it is a wholy man-made commodity. We use it to guage a trail back to some event, or to assess the path towards some event that we have not yet realised. Take Hawking's and Penrose's conclusion that the Big Bang was born out of a Singularity, of infinite density and infinitely small, and that this in some way became unstable and decided to pop; you must conclude from this that there is an inference to a state of existence BEFORE the Big Bang happened! So, our Universe has at least some form of boundary, beyond which there will be nothingness until the next universe is reached. This may be a long way away, otherwise there would be gravitation attraction and merging taking place. Perhaps this does take place, and we just haven't experience such an event in our known history. But the BIG picture in my mind is of a vast and never-ending arena within which the same type of events, (Big Bangs), continuously occur. If you could see a speeded up film of this from say 'God's' viewpoint, it would resemble a mud-flat in Iceland, boiling all the time with new universes and old ones popping out of existence. This situation will have been around for ever (in time) and stretches forever (in 'space'). I think. [/QUOTE]
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