Zone 1 Mk3 Vs Mk4 dish size variation
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Robbo
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I have 4 or 5 old zone 1's lying in various places around garden, good excuse to go and tidy them up, I'll give them a measure if I can find my tape measure.;)
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3 at 52x42 cm
1 at 52x39 cm
I think the smaller one is a MK2 or MK1 though.
Edit
3 at 52x42 cm
1 at 52x39 cm
I think the smaller one is a MK2 or MK1 though.
Robbo
Retired Mod
- My Satellite Setup
- TM6800HD, TM1000, TM600 Linux,TM2200 motor, Channel Master 1.2m motorised, TD110 dish Meter=Satlook Micro+G2 NIT
- My Location
- Gravesend,Kent,UK
I have 4 or 5 old zone 1's lying in various places around garden, good excuse to go and tidy them up, I'll give them a measure if I can find my tape measure.;)
Edit
3 at 52x42 cm
1 at 52x39 cm
I think the smaller one is a MK2 or MK1 though.
Edit
3 at 52x42 cm
1 at 52x39 cm
I think the smaller one is a MK2 or MK1 though.
wod
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that mk4 dish looks just a bit smaller than my zone 2 60cm one
so guessing there about 58cm ?
about time they made em a bit bigger as had no problems on 28e using the larger dish
so guessing there about 58cm ?
about time they made em a bit bigger as had no problems on 28e using the larger dish
wod
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that mk4 dish looks just a bit smaller than my zone 2 60cm one
so guessing there about 58cm ?
about time they made em a bit bigger as had no problems on 28e using the larger dish
so guessing there about 58cm ?
about time they made em a bit bigger as had no problems on 28e using the larger dish
Telia
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I guess people in UK will now complain about the new MK4 dishes being an eyesore as it's bigger than MK3.
Anyway i think they look nice, is it Raven who makes them?
Anyway i think they look nice, is it Raven who makes them?
Telia
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I guess people in UK will now complain about the new MK4 dishes being an eyesore as it's bigger than MK3.
Anyway i think they look nice, is it Raven who makes them?
Anyway i think they look nice, is it Raven who makes them?
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hexah
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This is a great improvement, the mini dish is now the size it should have been in the first place
A good alternative is the Orbital Platinum, which is a solid 'plastic coated' version of the Sly mini dish.
Orbital claim the performance is as good as a 70cm dish - what they actually mean is that it is the same kind of performace as the Sky Zone 2, but they I imagine they don't want moaning from Sly, who think their crisp packet dishes are great.
Hey, who wants moaning from Sly? :-Nooo
I have tested the Platinum against a Triax TD65, a quality 60cm dish, using the same LNB. There was only a 3-4% difference in Quality generally, and 0% difference in about a quarter of the transponders tested (the strongest ones).
From experience I know that is not really significant in the real world, unless the wanted transponder is already marginal on the 60cm dish. Testing was on all the stong sats - 28e 19e 13e and the strong transponders i.e. 51dBW on 23.5e, 9e, 7e (M6 fine), 4.8e, 0.8e (T1 & T2 though marginal), 5w, 30w. The very stongest signals on 16e were starting to break up under clouds but had a 3-4% margin on the 60cm. In the midlands and the south of England performance will be better than that :toke:
So it is a much more compact alternative at 45 x 58cm, compared to the 60 x 65cm TD64. The difference is bigger in 'real life' than the measurements suggest. I haven't tested a Technisat 45cm DigiDish or 45cm Multytenne (28e 23.5e 19e 13e on one dish), which are even smaller and so easier to hide away, but should have a similar performance, but I would not expect much from 16e using the DigiDish. (though I could be wrong, perhaps in London and the south the stongest signals may be recieved, especially when the new satellite is eventually introduced).
The Orbital Platinum will have a better rain fade margin compared to the Sly Zone 1 Mk4, though I haven't tested the MK4. The perforated dishes are always worse for signal Quality / BER due to the imperfection of the parabola resulting from the flattening introduced by the perforations.
You can always rely on Sly to get it right
Humping
A good alternative is the Orbital Platinum, which is a solid 'plastic coated' version of the Sly mini dish.
Orbital claim the performance is as good as a 70cm dish - what they actually mean is that it is the same kind of performace as the Sky Zone 2, but they I imagine they don't want moaning from Sly, who think their crisp packet dishes are great.
Hey, who wants moaning from Sly? :-Nooo
I have tested the Platinum against a Triax TD65, a quality 60cm dish, using the same LNB. There was only a 3-4% difference in Quality generally, and 0% difference in about a quarter of the transponders tested (the strongest ones).
From experience I know that is not really significant in the real world, unless the wanted transponder is already marginal on the 60cm dish. Testing was on all the stong sats - 28e 19e 13e and the strong transponders i.e. 51dBW on 23.5e, 9e, 7e (M6 fine), 4.8e, 0.8e (T1 & T2 though marginal), 5w, 30w. The very stongest signals on 16e were starting to break up under clouds but had a 3-4% margin on the 60cm. In the midlands and the south of England performance will be better than that :toke:
So it is a much more compact alternative at 45 x 58cm, compared to the 60 x 65cm TD64. The difference is bigger in 'real life' than the measurements suggest. I haven't tested a Technisat 45cm DigiDish or 45cm Multytenne (28e 23.5e 19e 13e on one dish), which are even smaller and so easier to hide away, but should have a similar performance, but I would not expect much from 16e using the DigiDish. (though I could be wrong, perhaps in London and the south the stongest signals may be recieved, especially when the new satellite is eventually introduced).
The Orbital Platinum will have a better rain fade margin compared to the Sly Zone 1 Mk4, though I haven't tested the MK4. The perforated dishes are always worse for signal Quality / BER due to the imperfection of the parabola resulting from the flattening introduced by the perforations.
You can always rely on Sly to get it right
Humping
hexah
Specialist Contributor
- My Satellite Setup
- motorized Gibertini 85cm, fixed dishes from 1m to 64cm, generic FTA HD RX, TBS DVB-S2 PC card, a pile of bits and pieces
- My Location
- Hadrians Wall
This is a great improvement, the mini dish is now the size it should have been in the first place
A good alternative is the Orbital Platinum, which is a solid 'plastic coated' version of the Sly mini dish.
Orbital claim the performance is as good as a 70cm dish - what they actually mean is that it is the same kind of performace as the Sky Zone 2, but they I imagine they don't want moaning from Sly, who think their crisp packet dishes are great.
Hey, who wants moaning from Sly? :-Nooo
I have tested the Platinum against a Triax TD65, a quality 60cm dish, using the same LNB. There was only a 3-4% difference in Quality generally, and 0% difference in about a quarter of the transponders tested (the strongest ones).
From experience I know that is not really significant in the real world, unless the wanted transponder is already marginal on the 60cm dish. Testing was on all the stong sats - 28e 19e 13e and the strong transponders i.e. 51dBW on 23.5e, 9e, 7e (M6 fine), 4.8e, 0.8e (T1 & T2 though marginal), 5w, 30w. The very stongest signals on 16e were starting to break up under clouds but had a 3-4% margin on the 60cm. In the midlands and the south of England performance will be better than that :toke:
So it is a much more compact alternative at 45 x 58cm, compared to the 60 x 65cm TD64. The difference is bigger in 'real life' than the measurements suggest. I haven't tested a Technisat 45cm DigiDish or 45cm Multytenne (28e 23.5e 19e 13e on one dish), which are even smaller and so easier to hide away, but should have a similar performance, but I would not expect much from 16e using the DigiDish. (though I could be wrong, perhaps in London and the south the stongest signals may be recieved, especially when the new satellite is eventually introduced).
The Orbital Platinum will have a better rain fade margin compared to the Sly Zone 1 Mk4, though I haven't tested the MK4. The perforated dishes are always worse for signal Quality / BER due to the imperfection of the parabola resulting from the flattening introduced by the perforations.
You can always rely on Sly to get it right
Humping
A good alternative is the Orbital Platinum, which is a solid 'plastic coated' version of the Sly mini dish.
Orbital claim the performance is as good as a 70cm dish - what they actually mean is that it is the same kind of performace as the Sky Zone 2, but they I imagine they don't want moaning from Sly, who think their crisp packet dishes are great.
Hey, who wants moaning from Sly? :-Nooo
I have tested the Platinum against a Triax TD65, a quality 60cm dish, using the same LNB. There was only a 3-4% difference in Quality generally, and 0% difference in about a quarter of the transponders tested (the strongest ones).
From experience I know that is not really significant in the real world, unless the wanted transponder is already marginal on the 60cm dish. Testing was on all the stong sats - 28e 19e 13e and the strong transponders i.e. 51dBW on 23.5e, 9e, 7e (M6 fine), 4.8e, 0.8e (T1 & T2 though marginal), 5w, 30w. The very stongest signals on 16e were starting to break up under clouds but had a 3-4% margin on the 60cm. In the midlands and the south of England performance will be better than that :toke:
So it is a much more compact alternative at 45 x 58cm, compared to the 60 x 65cm TD64. The difference is bigger in 'real life' than the measurements suggest. I haven't tested a Technisat 45cm DigiDish or 45cm Multytenne (28e 23.5e 19e 13e on one dish), which are even smaller and so easier to hide away, but should have a similar performance, but I would not expect much from 16e using the DigiDish. (though I could be wrong, perhaps in London and the south the stongest signals may be recieved, especially when the new satellite is eventually introduced).
The Orbital Platinum will have a better rain fade margin compared to the Sly Zone 1 Mk4, though I haven't tested the MK4. The perforated dishes are always worse for signal Quality / BER due to the imperfection of the parabola resulting from the flattening introduced by the perforations.
You can always rely on Sly to get it right
Humping
hexah
Specialist Contributor
- My Satellite Setup
- motorized Gibertini 85cm, fixed dishes from 1m to 64cm, generic FTA HD RX, TBS DVB-S2 PC card, a pile of bits and pieces
- My Location
- Hadrians Wall
I should add that I used an old 0.6dB LNB to mimick a modern Sly LNB.
If you use a modern LNB like a Smart Titanium, Inverto, Technomate, Sharp, Inverto Black Ultra, Invacom, you should expect the quality to improve 1-3% and the threshold on marginal signals to lift above the breakup point until it actually rains
at which point you will have to put up with it or get a bigger dish.
If you don't watch the marginal channels often and you live in dry part of the country (thats the north east, the midlands, the east, south coast and south east of England) then it could be a good choice of compact dish that falls within the planning regulations, so the 1m can be used for the real weak signal stuff :toke:
If you use a modern LNB like a Smart Titanium, Inverto, Technomate, Sharp, Inverto Black Ultra, Invacom, you should expect the quality to improve 1-3% and the threshold on marginal signals to lift above the breakup point until it actually rains
at which point you will have to put up with it or get a bigger dish. If you don't watch the marginal channels often and you live in dry part of the country (thats the north east, the midlands, the east, south coast and south east of England) then it could be a good choice of compact dish that falls within the planning regulations, so the 1m can be used for the real weak signal stuff :toke:
hexah
Specialist Contributor
- My Satellite Setup
- motorized Gibertini 85cm, fixed dishes from 1m to 64cm, generic FTA HD RX, TBS DVB-S2 PC card, a pile of bits and pieces
- My Location
- Hadrians Wall
I should add that I used an old 0.6dB LNB to mimick a modern Sly LNB.
If you use a modern LNB like a Smart Titanium, Inverto, Technomate, Sharp, Inverto Black Ultra, Invacom, you should expect the quality to improve 1-3% and the threshold on marginal signals to lift above the breakup point until it actually rains at which point you will have to put up with it or get a bigger dish.
If you don't watch the marginal channels often and you live in dry part of the country (thats the north east, the midlands, the east, south coast and south east of England) then it could be a good choice of compact dish that falls within the planning regulations, so the 1m can be used for the real weak signal stuff :toke:
If you use a modern LNB like a Smart Titanium, Inverto, Technomate, Sharp, Inverto Black Ultra, Invacom, you should expect the quality to improve 1-3% and the threshold on marginal signals to lift above the breakup point until it actually rains
at which point you will have to put up with it or get a bigger dish. If you don't watch the marginal channels often and you live in dry part of the country (thats the north east, the midlands, the east, south coast and south east of England) then it could be a good choice of compact dish that falls within the planning regulations, so the 1m can be used for the real weak signal stuff :toke: