Dish installation when rules & restrictions forbid it

[jeallen01]

It seems like people are looking more towards IP for their needs now.

Many people are now in properties where they can't put up dishes, either for practical or landlord-controlled reasons - I got one of mine from a guy in that sort of housing, and he said that he now goes the IP route.

 

[cwsat]

Many people are now in properties where they can't put up dishes, either for practical or landlord-controlled reasons - I got one of mine from a guy in that sort of housing, and he said that he now goes the IP route.

Yeah I unfortunately know all about that.

I had to let my system go for 6 years. Anything above a 60cm you had a letter and even then, it had to be at ground level or on the back of the house.

 

[jeallen01]

Yeah I unfortunately know all about that.

I had to let my system go for 6 years. Anything above a 60cm you had a letter and even then, it had to be at ground level or on the back of the house.

A lot also depends on where you live and the local council's attitudes - London Borough of Hi**ing*on doesn't appear to care that much!

 

[cwsat]

A lot also depends on where you live and the local council's attitudes - London Borough of Hi**ing*on doesn't appear to care that much!

Local council are up to 100cm.

Local ground authority / village trust were the issue.

 

[jeallen01]

Local council are up to 100cm.

Local ground authority / village trust were the issue.

Yup, I/we pretty much know the "official rules", but, as I effectively said, "it all depends" on who is responsible for enforcing them, and the extent to which they actually do!

The numbers & sizes of dishes on the buildings & walls and in gardens (large one in a back garden a couple of doors down was there before the Gibby went up) around here before I put up my bigger dishes made me reasonably sure I'd be unlikely to run into trouble, especially as most of them are backed against next door's high fence and "greenery". Camo-netted the tall ones nevertheless and nothing was ever said by anyone.

OTOH, wouldn't have wanted to go any larger/higher as some of the neighbours might then have complained and the council might then have actually taken action.

 

[cwsat]

Yup, I/we pretty much know the "official rules", but, as I effectively said, "it all depends" on who is responsible for enforcing them, and the extent to which they actually do!

The numbers & sizes of dishes on the buildings & walls and in gardens (large one in a back garden a couple of doors down was there before the Gibby went up) around here before I put up my bigger dishes made me reasonably sure I'd be unlikely to run into trouble, especially as most of them are backed against next door's high fence and "greenery". Camo-netted the tall ones nevertheless and nothing was ever said by anyone.

OTOH, wouldn't have wanted to go any larger/higher as some of the neighbours might then have complained and the council might then have actually taken action.

Due to me living in a new build with a ground maintenance authority, they went round frequently looking for dishes.

When we first moved in we had to pay a £25 fee to have one of them come round and tell us where our Sky installer could put the dish.

The homes connected to the reception system were completely forbidden from having a dish. No use to someone wanting another European satellite.

The Sky installer who came said he’d had them pull up mid job and tell him to stop work, the home owner did not have the required authority.

That was the end of my old motorised system.

 

[Captain Jack]

New homes are an utter nuisance, not only for the owners but to everyone around them. Not only are they built by the cheapest bidder, they seem to belong to dictatorships and the land you buy isn't really the land you own, despite being "freehold". I got away with dishes while I was renting in new-builds, though those were older than 10 years, so no-one really cared by that point.

Obviously, most people aren't affected in such ways but most people aren't normal =o)

 

[jeallen01]

Thanks for the heads-up guys!

Looks like I'll have to be very careful on this point when we choose a bungalow down South - although I somewhat doubt that it'll be an issue as, in most cases, we are unlikley to be looking at recent/new build properties.

 

[cwsat]

New homes are an utter nuisance, not only for the owners but to everyone around them. Not only are they built by the cheapest bidder, they seem to belong to dictatorships and the land you buy isn't really the land you own, despite being "freehold". I got away with dishes while I was renting in new-builds, though those were older than 10 years, so no-one really cared by that point.

Obviously, most people aren't affected in such ways but most people aren't normal =o)

Yeah it's just this one particular area and I will be avoiding it in future. If it's below fence level, I can't see what the issue is.

With a 30's-90's house you generally get a good sized garden, ideal for hiding a dish. The new builds you generally end up with a postage stamp.

 

[John]

If line of sight to the satellite exists - consider going a bit extreme and sink the dish on a 150 cm square pad below normal ground level suitable to what size dish you have in mind and still maintain a 'below fence' level . You could also erect a pull over cover of a suitable colour to bring over the install when not in use. Always think this - "where there's a will, there's a way"

 

[Manikm909]

If line of sight to the satellite exists - consider going a bit extreme and sink the dish on a 150 cm square pad below normal ground level suitable to what size dish you have in mind and still maintain a 'below fence' level . You could also erect a pull over cover of a suitable colour to bring over the install when not in use. Always think this - "where there's a will, there's a way"

when i grow up, i want to be like @John

 

[jeallen01]

Afternoon again and I'd like to make a suggestion to the Staff.

Since yesterday, this thread seems to have drifted away from the Title Subject and towards advice and tips on the subject of how to choose/get away with dish locations in areas where it can, shall we say, be "controversial" due to planning and/or buildings owners' restrictions on what can/cannot be installed.

Therefore, maybe someone on the Staff might like to start a new thread in the Dish Setup Guides, Information threads and FAQs section as I don't these aspects have really been (recently?) covered over there? Then they can move the relevant posts, and any subsequent relevant ones, to that thread - with, of course a link so that people will know where to look for guidance.

 

[John]

when i grow up, i want to be like @John

Bless your cotten socks .

 

[s-band]

Subject to space constraints, a dish that is deemed to be mobile or portable is allowed in most areas from a planning point of view. Some members, including myself, have made use of this. Here's one option:
C Band satellite uplink 5.5 meter Comtech Offsat antenna TX / RX | eBay

 

[Terryl]

Other alternatives are, find a house with a room facing South with a window facing South, mount the dish inside that room, if the window has "E" rated dual pane glass (low UV rating) have it replaced with common single pane glass,(the dual pane "E" rated glass has a very thin metal film that will cut down the signals from the satellite) or if you have a nice big attic with a section facing South, have a skylight installed in that section, mount the dish in the attic behind that.

If these ideas are not practical then take a look here for some ideas.

http://www.dishcamo.com/dishcamo.htm

I like the umbrella idea, but it's expensive.

 

[Channel Hopper]

when i grow up, i want to be like @John

John has yet to use the art of camouflage. If in doubt, go covert.

 

[jeallen01]

Thx to whichever Staff member created this new thread as requested - but maybe change the title to "Dish Installation when rules & restrictions appear to forbid it" to point out that there may be ways to legally (or otherwise!) circumvent them?

 

[mapperuo]

Subject to space constraints, a dish that is deemed to be mobile or portable is allowed in most areas from a planning point of view. Some members, including myself, have made use of this. Here's one option:
C Band satellite uplink 5.5 meter Comtech Offsat antenna TX / RX | eBay

Not a motorised dish? Pfff no thank you.

 

[Beli1910]

What is the law regarding the placement of antennas in your place in England? We do not have anything similar here, but we are slowly moving in that direction. What are the rules in your country regarding air conditioning?

 

[s-band]

What is the law regarding the placement of antennas in your place in England? We do not have anything similar here, but we are slowly moving in that direction. What are the rules in your country regarding air conditioning?

Planning Permission: General information - Satellite, TV and radio antenna - Planning Portal

Details of the planning permission and building regulation regimes for Satellite,TV and Radio Antenna in England

www.planningportal.co.uk

What they don't tell you is that mobile or portable things generally don't need planning permission. There may be local rules that mean you can't park an SNG truck on your drive for a long period.

There are some posts here, including mine, about 'mobile' dish mounts: The C-band Tin-Dish challenge

Air con rules