Multichoice South Africa Ku -band

[Turok]

Hello!
thanks for your input and welcome on board!
a couple of years ago i read,that,that multichoice will send in the future,only in kuband,and cband switched off,but i cannot confiremed is it true or not!

multichoice transponder in cband,getting weaker,since around 3 weeks,espasaly in the night around 8 o clock,i recogneized a signal losing,of around one db!
the intelsat 10 is getting old now one solar panel is damage,and lost signal around 30 %
sometimes one mc sa transponder are stronger,depents on night and weater and then viaversa!

espasaly,in kuband i want to know,what is the strongest ,with a 3,7 m dish,when this satelite has 3 beams,then its hard to belive ,that is real posible to receive them all in one location
i should know the strongest transponder,and day/nighttime difrence! in signal strenth!

on google i read,that mc sa is planing to send in hd

and in report i read,that the have planing sending in hd,during the olympic games,but,there was nothing,that transmit in hd,any news about this?
in some african forums i read also,that mc has problems,with the egp on most reveivers,that there is a time delay from orginal,because they sending non standart epg data !

 

[karism]

Hi guys.
MC Sa does transmit in HD ,but it is not shown on lyngsat as being HD.(We use some retarded version of HD here,the decoder needs 4 wires from the LNB,and not 1 or 2 like the other countries)
They have released a new HD PVR a few months ago,and currenlty we have 1 channel HD,soon to be expanded to more they say

Please note : the provider Id`s for the C-band and Ku band are the same,but that is where the similarities ends. The KU subscription will NOT open the C-band encryption.The are running different strings for it

Karis

If you ordered KU subscription,then it wont work on C

 

[Turok]

Hello Karism!

thanks for the intresting report!
i read a little bit on google,but did not find,the infromation why hd not sending in cband


**//www.nudjit.com/2008/07/25/multichoice-launches-high-definition-pvr/

stilll waiting for a report here for central europe,what now the strongest and the weakest transponder with 3,1-3.7 m antenna,is the signal always stable,night/day time?

when the 36 east has for beams,then again i cant imagine,that is posible to receive all at one location,here in central europe!

is there any plan,to bring hd also to cband?
or maybe the transponder coasts are much higher then the others,in kuband!

conecting,for 4wires to a stb with 2 inputs,is also often use in asia i see in thailand by some operators,one lnb is one the first satelite used,for the encryption data stream,the,other one,contains the transponder data,in a non dvb compatible standart,used by special receiver,that you get from the operator,a very nice idea,in a technical view

renting cband transponders,i think is much cheaper,then kuband for africa/europe,can anyone confirm this?

 

[Topper]

This seemed interesting and relevant to your question Turok HD is already C band HD before being rebroadcast in the USA

[fieldset=extract]
Small dish programming, with the exception of certain pay-per-view movie channels, is sourced from C-Band originated originals. The small dish companies, like cable companies, have C-Band reception equipment, which they use to capture the signal, encode it, compress it, and rebroadcast it. All this signal manipulation naturally results in compromised picture quality.

HD broadcasts will be handled in the same manner. To provide a premium movie channel on a small dish, the small dish programmer will capture it from the C-Band original, encode, compress and rebroadcast the program.[/fieldset]


_http://www.skyvision.com/pages/information_center/hdtvfaq.html#t13

 

[Turok]

Hello!
thats ,i think the same system that the portuguose pay tv operator cabo is also using,for transmit the programms from brazil to the content of the package!

the catch the signal from tv globo,on the cband,most other channels form nss 806 on 40.east encoded and adressed in power view,and the other,sources,are direct IP tV Content Streaming,for example,the Voom HD Network on 1 degress west,from c+!

when i go back,in the past,in my minds,in old d2mac days,it was exactly the same situation,around 2 month ago,before d2mac was switches off,i was watching mtv nodic and then a heave rainshower must be ofer the uplink of viasat,this results in that,that you have digital artifacts in d2mac picture,signal comming from the digital tv source transformated in dvb s

the same,was on mtv india,the catch the analog signal from cband on 76 east in pal,brought signal back to the showtime package,in the beginning you see the analoge spikes,if you look intensive to the picture,then this signal swtiched off,and only direct ip tv livestream was posible!

i think this are very special,very expansice broadcast system,that are not avalible for the public,and the line speed,must be always the same speed around 15 mbit for hd picture,otherwise it would be interrupted!
in artefactes!
the other think whould i could imagine is,that the get all the movie contents,on pc hard disc,in the meantime,and plays direkt from them!
the subtitles,for difrent language,for each country,must be also added to the picture,so,there are some live direct broadcast,but some of them,arent "live"to only tell us,that it looks like a live transmosion but it isnt!

 

[mashster]

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Hello wium,

You are right, it really is difficult in a built-up area. Moreover, below 5* elevation there is ground noise, even with a perfect line of sight , so you need to compensate with a bigger dish to what sat sig map shows your min. dish size can be. Personally, (my set-up is temporary, I hope) I can't position my dish beyond 28.2*E, b/c of a house wall and it's on the roof a single-storey workshop. But serious DXers receive 68.5*E 24/7 even in Wales and probably you can get 24/7 in more than 2/3rds of the uk territory if you really want to; after all the sig is rather strong. But it's NOT easy.

wium, when I posted this I wanted to hear if what you call dstv multichoice could be received in Europe or North Africa... but also I'd like to ask you if you know of a discussion board, any forum about south african satellite tv, b/c there was a new sat platform from Jo'burg supposed to to launch with more programs (I read abt it in Tele-Satellite int'l mag). And do you know of people with BUDs (big ugly dishes) esp. solid ku-band monster dishes who receive ASTRA or HOTBIRD sats? Is 26*E badr (arabsat) possible to get in SA?

Do you know of a way in which German channels get on the dstv platform?
I am sure SABC news int'l is very good. I read that it is like a CNN of Africa.

 

[mashster]

Sorry didn't mean to thank you! I just wanted to laugh when you said SABC International is like the CNN of Africa ... You are a very funny chap!

Hello wium,

You are right, it really is difficult in a built-up area. Moreover, below 5* elevation there is ground noise, even with a perfect line of sight , so you need to compensate with a bigger dish to what sat sig map shows your min. dish size can be. Personally, (my set-up is temporary, I hope) I can't position my dish beyond 28.2*E, b/c of a house wall and it's on the roof a single-storey workshop. But serious DXers receive 68.5*E 24/7 even in Wales and probably you can get 24/7 in more than 2/3rds of the uk territory if you really want to; after all the sig is rather strong. But it's NOT easy.

wium, when I posted this I wanted to hear if what you call dstv multichoice could be received in Europe or North Africa... but also I'd like to ask you if you know of a discussion board, any forum about south african satellite tv, b/c there was a new sat platform from Jo'burg supposed to to launch with more programs (I read abt it in Tele-Satellite int'l mag). And do you know of people with BUDs (big ugly dishes) esp. solid ku-band monster dishes who receive ASTRA or HOTBIRD sats? Is 26*E badr (arabsat) possible to get in SA?

Do you know of a way in which German channels get on the dstv platform?
I am sure SABC news int'l is very good. I read that it is like a CNN of Africa.

 

[jaystar420]

Hi evry1.i m 4m bangladesh.i want 2 kno is it posible 4 me 2 watch supersports channel 4m here..i can easily tune in 2 intelsat 7 on 68.5*E..bt can any1 tel me which kind of reciever do i need 2 catch these channels..or wat kind of lnb wil b needed..plz do reply if any1 can help.

 

[adonis1]

Must be very difficult in London with elevation of 4.6 on a 90cm dish.Paris is 6.9 and Berlin 11.9 also on 90cm.Could someone in Europe with a motorised dish also try SABC International on the same satellite ie 68,5 E,12722V,26657.

the 12722V freq. is quite strong here at 11.6db.

 

[adonis1]

Hi evry1.i m 4m bangladesh.i want 2 kno is it posible 4 me 2 watch supersports channel 4m here..i can easily tune in 2 intelsat 7 on 68.5*E..bt can any1 tel me which kind of reciever do i need 2 catch these channels..or wat kind of lnb wil b needed..plz do reply if any1 can help.

According to -http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?beam=5626 the Recommended dish size is 250cm / 98.4in for your area also a C-band lnb is needed and off course a DStv subscription card ,but first of all ask a local installer ,he knows better :-thumbup
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[hexah]

The problem with C band is that the power from the transponders may lower than what is on the footprint map.

There can be a number of reasons, e.g. never actually being quite as strong as advertised when the satellite deployed (...but they didn't want to say so to avoid loosing custom, they just recommend a slightly larger dish to commercial customers), half transponder transmission, backing off 1-2dBW to save battery power and extend battery life (especially if fully illuminated, global beams often were down on maximum), satellite getting older and less efficient faster than planned (...but they didn't want to say so to avoid loosing customers), etc, etc.

If you are unlucky, you could find out the EIRP is 2-4dBW lower! It has happened before.

That is why reception reports are so important, especially with low power transponders and big dishes.

:-sugar

 

[hexah]

Just why have SABC International chosen such a totally daft choice of transponder for transmission to Europe, given most ex-pats and most potential English speaking viewers are not going to receive it unless on top of a 15 story building?


Its cheap, cheap, cheap!


And daft, daft, daft!


Definitely the CNN of Africa then.








:-Cmany

 

[adonis1]

The problem with C band is that the power from the transponders may lower than what is on the footprint map.

I think that footprint -http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?beam=5626 represents the reality for example and for my region the Recommended dish size is 230cm/90.6 but with my offset dish i can receive the most of sat tps -not all and not always ,depends of weather some times - but doubling the reflecting area with 230cm i think that I haven't any reception problem .

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[lewishamse]

i have also wondered why multichoice is happy to not have a Europe beam or 'Eurafrica' beam on 36E while it is needed in Europe!

RTNC, TBC1, NTV Kenya, Zimbo, etc - they are all needed in Europe, unscrambled! Euroafrica beam will bring investment, tourism, keep their citizens/and others abroad linked with their countries, etc ....

Just why have SABC International chosen such a totally daft choice of transponder for transmission to Europe, given most ex-pats and most potential English speaking viewers are not going to receive it unless on top of a 15 story building?


Its cheap, cheap, cheap!


And daft, daft, daft!


Definitely the CNN of Africa then.








:-Cmany

 

[hexah]

i have also wondered why multichoice is happy to not have a Europe beam or 'Eurafrica' beam on 36E while it is needed in Europe!

RTNC, TBC1, NTV Kenya, Zimbo, etc - they are all needed in Europe, unscrambled! Euroafrica beam will bring investment, tourism, keep their citizens/and others abroad linked with their countries, etc ....

In the case of SABC International I expect they have negotiated an all inclusive deal for the transponders used by the entire package on 68.5E. It would cost much more to lease part of a transponder on another satellite, even through the same agent.

As for 36e I think that 'multichoice' would have rights issues with some channels and other channels would not generate enough subscribers to cover the cost of the transponder.

Attracting investment, tourists and informing citizens abroad has always been an important part of international broadcasting. Done properly it is very successful. It depends on the country, though, and the competence of the people doing it. Ex-pats from many countries can often give up on their old countries and the loss to the old country through reduced investment can be considerable. It is a well known phenomenon among people who emigrate to the US, due to their 'melting pot' philosophy. It is an excellent reason to retain the interest of ex-pats.

The few African countries that have meaningful foreign investment which is a significant part of the economy often make an effort, eg South Africa with SABC International due to a diverse economy and international financial sector, and Angola due to the oil industry in Cabinda which they use as a carrot to attract in more diverse investment, with some success (their channel seems more aimed at expatriates, as Portugal isn't exactly overflowing with investors).

The problem for the other countries is that they don't have such things to interest investors. Some countries, like Zimbabwe, investors won't touch for the obvious reasons! Countries like Chad or Mali don't offer much apart from severe desertification, so don't have much hope of improving their GNP this century unless they find gold or oil.

So there is not much hope of these countries broadcasting to Europe.

It has to be said that attempts by many African countries to attract investors can be hopelessly inept. Often their reports and brochures appear to be written by 15 year old school children and have about as much reality to them as the chronicles of Narnia. :toke:

International agreements and geographic realities that they can do nothing about also influence investors to consider places like Romania, Bulgaria (both EU), Turkey (EU trade partner), Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia (EU espoirs), Russia, etc.

So for all those reasons and more the situation is unlikely to change.

There are some C band signals used as part of the domestic transmission system for some African countries. This is often 3m dish territory, with no guarantee that the channels won't switch to a C band or KU band spot beam in future (C band being most likely as the propagation characteristics are ideal for rebroadcast purposes).

 

[lewishamse]

u r right - depends on competency of those who are doing it...I hope someone points them out to this discussion and rise to the chalenge of 'getting it right'!

Best wishes

Lewishamse

In the case of SABC International I expect they have negotiated an all inclusive deal for the transponders used by the entire package on 68.5E. It would cost much more to lease part of a transponder on another satellite, even through the same agent.

As for 36e I think that 'multichoice' would have rights issues with some channels and other channels would not generate enough subscribers to cover the cost of the transponder.

Attracting investment, tourists and informing citizens abroad has always been an important part of international broadcasting. Done properly it is very successful. It depends on the country, though, and the competence of the people doing it. Ex-pats from many countries can often give up on their old countries and the loss to the old country through reduced investment can be considerable. It is a well known phenomenon among people who emigrate to the US, due to their 'melting pot' philosophy. It is an excellent reason to retain the interest of ex-pats.

The few African countries that have meaningful foreign investment which is a significant part of the economy often make an effort, eg South Africa with SABC International due to a diverse economy and international financial sector, and Angola due to the oil industry in Cabinda which they use as a carrot to attract in more diverse investment, with some success (their channel seems more aimed at expatriates, as Portugal isn't exactly overflowing with investors).

The problem for the other countries is that they don't have such things to interest investors. Some countries, like Zimbabwe, investors won't touch for the obvious reasons! Countries like Chad or Mali don't offer much apart from severe desertification, so don't have much hope of improving their GNP this century unless they find gold or oil.

So there is not much hope of these countries broadcasting to Europe.

It has to be said that attempts by many African countries to attract investors can be hopelessly inept. Often their reports and brochures appear to be written by 15 year old school children and have about as much reality to them as the chronicles of Narnia. :toke:

International agreements and geographic realities that they can do nothing about also influence investors to consider places like Romania, Bulgaria (both EU), Turkey (EU trade partner), Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia (EU espoirs), Russia, etc.

So for all those reasons and more the situation is unlikely to change.

There are some C band signals used as part of the domestic transmission system for some African countries. This is often 3m dish territory, with no guarantee that the channels won't switch to a C band or KU band spot beam in future (C band being most likely as the propagation characteristics are ideal for rebroadcast purposes).