Sky Card swap out - Probably bad news for Dreambox users

[rolfw]

Well if the only satellite you want to watch is Astra 28.2 East, which applies to the vast majority of Sky customers, there is nothing wrong with the Sky digibox or Sky+ box, I've tried using my DM7000 to watch Sky and with no effective EPG, no series link facility, it really wasn't much fun.

If you are criticising the fact that it is no good for other satellites, doesn't have DiSEqC and can't be used for card sharing, then that is what they designed it not to do and not what most subscribers want.

PS. They've taken their time with this card release, so I guess it is likely that they have had the card on test in Linux boxes and the other non-linux IP receivers to make sure that a sharing solution will not be easy to find.

 

[sonic1]

Looks like we will not have to wait long to find out

http://www.skyviewinghelp.com/

 

[dig deep]

I heard that the way they will try is speeding up the cards.

Giving almost none response time, we are talking milliseconds here.

So CS need to get a faster CPU, the new decoders what is waiting will be rather fast, as will their memory.

The war goes on

 

[dasteelman]

current NDS3 cards from italia work perfect in newCS/cccam and seem to be more stable than directly read in cccam.

I would say that if the new cards had the ecm time speeded up...then this may cause problems to view over a network

 

[Turok]

This,what sky,and also other paytv operators like premiere do,is against the free market rules!

shop owner from mascom germany,that made the alphacrypt,go know to the antitrust devision,in germany,3 month ago!
now the findings,against premiere ,and kabel deutschland has began!

customors,wants a free receiver market!

i read also reports,serval month ago,that a court ruling in italy,gives a curstomor right,that the paytv operator canot restraint,the use of the orginal decoder!
sky told,you have to buy ower decoder,your receiver is not compatible,and he wins the action,sky italia has to payed 500€ fine!

premiere here say,only permeire receivers allowed here,because of the parental controll code option,that must be garanted!
in alphacrypt ci modul,it is intragreted,so you can swtich off with a pin code,on every receiver,because it is based in the ci modul firmware!

 

[Sharkadder]

I cannot see the cards getting "speeded up", this will cause havoc for people who are subscribed i'd imagine. It's very rare that a provider will skip 2 encryptions in 1 go, they usually just update to the one after it. As for not being able to be shared, if a dreambox can read a key then surely it can copy a key before it get's used right? Just takes time for somebody to develop something so "destroying the key after use" will be out the question.

I don't believe any of this "they are created not to work with emulators" as emulators just mimic what the hardware cam is meant to do, just need somebody to work out how to decode it with an emu.

I can see the new ones being in NDS3 which a dreambox currently reads with NewCS, if it is NDS4 then just got to wait until somebody finds a work around, they have about 2months to do it lol. I say it's rare a provider skips 2 encryptions in 1 go but it wouldn't suprise me if we get a suprise.

I think we fear for the worst but i'm sure it's nothing quite as bad as people talk about half the time, a lot of it is just guess work what people talk about in the pub when drunk lol.

 

[roaaul]

hi guys
just out of curiosity has anyone logged the stream for a new caid ?
no new caid just a pretty new card, a new caid then u could speculate wether its nds3 or nds4 ?


R

 

[Cupart]

Over all the Sky digiboxes are made for the masses and not for sat interested people like the ones in the forum. Most people (i.e. more or less all) don't need wifi enabled, ftp, CS, mega servers, this and that let alone do most know what it means so Sky has done something right. You press the on button and you have TV.

I'm not unhappy with the EPG and all the extra features it gives me nor am I unhappy with Sky+ which works wonders. I'm also happy with the over-air updates of the software which means that I don't have to do anything other than sit down and watch whatever I want to watch.

I think the main thing here is that some users use the "poor" digibox as an excuse as they want something for nothing and blame something else.

The card swap is a natural development from Sky as they just try and protect their product from piracy. As said a million times before, Sky is not a charity... Its a business trying to make money. They are not breaking any laws.

 

[2cvbloke]

Oh dear, a card swap!!! I think I best sell my two Yellow house cards ASAP before they're turned into ice scrapers!!!

 

[CROSSBONES]

The card swap is a natural development from sky as they just try and protect their product from piracy. As said a million times before, sky is not a charity... Its a business trying to make money. They are not breaking any laws.

Yes but they have the monopoly and take advantage! With there over priced channels and services'O'-red

Not forgetting the adverts every 10mins!

 

[kerrywez]

Got to agree with bones here. They said that they would bot have ads on their news, but there are so many now that it is not very nice trying to watch the news, BBC news is way better in my mind anyway.

I also hope that you, Cupart, will be happy when the cost goes up, like it did the last time they issued cards and that on top of the inevitable rise to cover the big losses they have has and the cost of all those football games they have just secured.

Regards Wez

 

[A nonymous]

Yes but they have the monopoly and take advantage! With there over priced channels and services

Not forgetting the adverts every 10mins!

I agree with you 100% on that one mate. If i could get a monthly sub with either Viasat, Digital+ or Canal+ (Scandinavia) I'd be over the moon.

I much rather pay my money to these other companies than give it to Uncle Rupe. The other providers mentioned above also have a better quality of programming and also a better quality picture in a lot of cases.

I think the main thing here is that some users use the "poor" digibox as an excuse as they want something for nothing and blame something else.

Can a Sky box control a motor? :-Nooo

Can a Sky Box let you watch all other FTA channels off other satellites. :-Nooo

The answer is no on both accounts, this is why in my opinion i think they are poor receivers. Most of them also take an eternity to change channels.

I dare say they wouldn't be bad if they hadn't been nobbled so much by Sky 'O'-red.

Although saying that, I must admit that i do have a fondness for the Amstrad DX500. I know its w*nk box but it looks nice :-jumpsmile

I used to have one but unfortunately it was for the wrong flavour of Sky. Your average Sky UK card doesn't have a tendency to work to well in a Sky Italia box !

:-beer

Nano

 

[Cupart]

If i could get a monthly sub with either Viasat, Digital+ or Canal+ (Scandinavia) I'd be over the moon.

Can a Sky box control a motor?

Can a Sky Box let you watch all other FTA channels off other satellites.

The answer is no on both accounts, this is why in my opinion i think they are poor receivers. Most of them also take an eternity to change channels.

So you think a Viasat receiver (or the official Canal Digital receivers) can do so much more than Sky's receivers? I'm Scandinavian and had a subscription to both Canal+ (i.e. Canal Digital Denmark) and Viasat when I lived in Copenhagen and there is no difference receiver wise. Here's another great example of that few people wants something they can't get and believe it or not, the grass is NOT necessarily greener on the other side...

It's far more expensive compared to the number of channels you get with Sky and quality is not much of a difference.

Btw, you have a choice of not subscribing if you feel its too expensive (and not value for money or that the quality is poor) there are plenty of other options out there that are free.

Hehehe... This is always a bit of a hot potato but interesting never the less...

Off topic... Sorry.

//F

 

[Cupart]

Not forgetting the adverts every 10mins!

Yes, I agree with you 100%. There is nothing more annoying than those Bleeping adverts ever so often.

 

[roaaul]

new caid in the stream 0963 videoguard
looks like nds3 is coming

R

 

[600]

Hello all.
I am in Greece and I receive all the usual free stuff with my Sky box and Yellow House card. Will this card swap make any difference to me? Will I have to do anything to keep on receiving the very little UK TV I get now? I also have a Dutch CanalSat system with the minimal channels and its getting very boring. It would be fine if I spoke German/French/Italian etc but I'm limited to English and a little Greek!

 

[compufunk]

Can anyone remember when the last sky uk swap was? I take it that it only happens every few years.

 

[kerrywez]

Hello all.
I am in Greece and I receive all the usual free stuff with my Sky box and Yellow House card. Will this card swap make any difference to me? Will I have to do anything to keep on receiving the very little UK TV I get now? I also have a Dutch CanalSat system with the minimal channels and its getting very boring. It would be fine if I spoke German/French/Italian etc but I'm limited to English and a little Greek!

Hi mate,
The new card roll out should not make any difference to the free channels, you got to remember that these providers have nothing to do with sly and they will continue to broadcast free. so a card change will make no difference. As a point of interest, the sly FTV card will soon only be good for sly3, as it is there are only 3 channels which need the sly FTV card, sly3, fiver and five USA, all BBC, ITV, Four and Five are all free, thanks mainly Freesat.

Regards Wez

 

[rolfw]

Hello all.
I am in Greece and I receive all the usual free stuff with my Sky box and Yellow House card. Will this card swap make any difference to me? Will I have to do anything to keep on receiving the very little UK TV I get now? I also have a Dutch CanalSat system with the minimal channels and its getting very boring. It would be fine if I spoke German/French/Italian etc but I'm limited to English and a little Greek!

Unless it was bought as a Freesat card and you have a link with the purchasing address for renewal, the card will not be replaced and will I guess stop functioning after the card swap out, so your viewing may become even more restricted, unless you invest in a very big dish.

 

[A nonymous]

So you think a Viasat receiver (or the official Canal Digital receivers) can do so much more than sky's receivers? I'm Scandinavian and had a subscription to both Canal+ (i.e. Canal Digital Denmark) and Viasat when I lived in Copenhagen and there is no difference receiver wise. Here's another great example of that few people wants something they can't get and believe it or not, the grass is NOT necessarily greener on the other side...

Excuse me but exactly where did i say i wanted a Canal+ or Viasat receiver !

I was referring to the subscription, I.e Just the card not the receiver.

Why would i want a propriety receiver that will only work with one system