1.1 triax gives better results than my 1.3 aluminium primsat dish

[Spiff]

Good morning I am going to move the mounting down the motor pole today



Good morning I have moved the dish bracket down the motor pole so that there is more room to adjust the elevation.
Have adjusted the elevation but no improvement in signal.
So will be moving it back up as there is less leverage on the motor if the dish is wind blown with the bracket higher up. Kind View attachment 79488 Regards Spiff

Good morning from a wet and windy Mullion Cove
An update on the 1.3m dish from SSS. After many emails they realised that the image on their website is not of the dish they are now selling.
I had to persistently repeat my question regarding the steel bracket not fitting and bending the Ally dish, as it appeared to be side stepped in each reply.
My last email to SSS below and their reply.
Good morning Dave another sunny day : )
I am sure you know all this.
As the frequency's received have wavelengths in the order of 10mm the surface should be accurate to 1mm at least to perform well.
The curvature of the dish is greatest near the vertex so it changes over the surface area.
If the bracket was shaped to fit at one point, then the manufacturer moved it up or down the back of the dish for whatever reason, the dish is going to have to bend to make it fit.
My bracket did not fit by a mile, I should have stopped at that point.
If you find all the brackets do not fit the rear of the dish shape, just send us another dish that has not been fitted to a bracket.
I will then bend our bracket to shape before refitting it.
As it is, the ally dish I have is not going to spring back into shape.
It does not perform as well as the Triax with the same dual output LNB, though as I said before when fitting a mono output LNB it performed about the same as the 1.1 m Triax.
Good luck with the new shelving, we run two online businesses ourselves and have to maintain our rental let, so I know what it is like to have a lot to do : )
Kind Regards Allen
The reply from SSS : -
Hi Allen,
Put together a dish for assessment on Saturday.
The back plate is curved but the dish is curved in two planes (3D) and so it would be difficult for the manufacturer to exactly follow the contours of the dish.
I think the problem you have is due to over tightening the bolts which hold the back plate to the dish.
This is not needed as they are not standard nuts, they are Nyloc nuts so they will not come off if the tightening is not too great.
They do not need to be any more tight than to stop rattling between the back plate and the dish.
I guess you could put some rubber washers between the back plate and the dish to prevent over tightening and make the tightness slight but not rattling
Or a bit of rubber or weather strip between the flange of the backplate and the dish.
I have some 1.0mm (approx) rubber sheet and could send you some if you need any.
This will just allow tightening to occur to the right level without pulling on the dish.
But yes that is how the dish and back plate have been manufactured.
My previous email about clearance holes of + 1.0mm in the backplane is also worthwhile.
thanks
Dave
End of email from SSS
This part about clearance holes I cannot find in his previous emails, not sure what that is about : )
I would also add that the dish fixing bolts are coach bolts the type with a square under the head, the holes in the dish had not been shaped to fit and were round consequently the bolts had to be tightened to pull the square into the hole.
They are not Nyloc as he said, not that it makes any difference.

The bolt holes for the LNB steady are the same and very ragged as if the drill has been put in on several angles to thin the edges of the hole so that the square of the coach bolt could dig in

In all very poor quality and inferior results to the Triax 1.1

I am 70 this year and have been left with an erratic heart beat with all this, I shall not now be going to spending close to a £1000 on a larger still dish with polar mount, well not with them anyway.

So if you buy a bent dish mount it on rubber, honestly what can I say to that : )
After sales is everything, I run two online businesses, the customers are people just like us and should be treated with care and consideration.
Thank you all again God Bless Allen

 

[Captain Jack]

To be honest, that's a pretty poor response from a company that overcharges on every single item on their page. They have some rare stuff and is usually good quality but this is not what I would expect from them. Definitely fight your case... send the dish back and get a full refund.

 

[4wd]

Placement of mounting holes, height of l\r arm...

Got one of these (with correct holes!), mounting done in minutes, everything fitted fine and nothing to bend. And very good dish for the money spent.

 

[sonnetpete]

The back plate is curved but the dish is curved in two planes (3D) and so it would be difficult for the manufacturer to exactly follow the contours of the dish.
I think the problem you have is due to over tightening the bolts which hold the back plate to the dish.
This is not needed as they are not standard nuts, they are Nyloc nuts so they will not come off if the tightening is not too great.

Doesn't alter the fact that (after comparing the images 4WD posted side by side) the holes on your dish have been drilled in the wrong place. Initally I did think they'd drilled them upside down but it just looks totally incorrect. Spiff, there isn't any need to spend anywhere near £1000 on another dish. My Laminas is listed at €168 currently. Sadly France has the nearest stockist to you and I've no idea how much carriage would be to Cornwall (though lots less than the amount you quoted).

 

[Spiff]

Doesn't alter the fact that (after comparing the images 4WD posted side by side) the holes on your dish have been drilled in the wrong place. Initally I did think they'd drilled them upside down but it just looks totally incorrect. Spiff, there isn't any need to spend anywhere near £1000 on another dish. My Laminas is listed at €168 currently. Sadly France has the nearest stockist to you and I've no idea how much carriage would be to Cornwall (though lots less than the amount you quoted).

Good morning thank you for your reply.
Just added that you are correct in saying the bracket is in the wrong place, as this also explains why the readings on the side of the mounting bracket are incorrect.
But it is a bit like banging ones head against a wall with these people.
That amount was not just on a dish, it was for a larger dish plus a polar mount with a 18 inch 36 volt heavy duty actuator a V box and dual LNB plus a new wall mount, cable ect again from SSS.
I did price up a 1.2 Laminas direct from Poland £175 including carraige but I was wary of purchasing with the bank transfer they required. There was also a gent selling them on eBay for £235, he did not accept my generous offer of £175 : ) so I purchased this 1.3 ally dish instead using PayPal, serves me right.
Kind Regards Spiff

 

[4wd]

Now, can't find any pitures of anyhing labeled 130 (superstore uses the same picture for 125 & 130), could be some differences between 125 and 130.

Btw here's a pic of mine https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/threads/the-dish-wall.165660/, working great and zero problems from day 1, and the op should have had good results from day 1 as well. What a story!

 

[sonnetpete]

Apart from buying direct from Laminas, there are a couple of Polish suppliers (Satsklep and Hollex) who will probably accept credit cards or even PayPal. Satsklep currently have the 1.2M Laminas on sale for €119.60 (about £85 at todays rates) Their website asks you to contact them for a carriage cost quote.

 

[Spiff]

Apart from buying direct from Laminas, there are a couple of Polish suppliers (Satsklep and Hollex) who will probably accept credit cards or even PayPal. Satsklep currently have the 1.2M Laminas on sale for €119.60 (about £85 at todays rates) Their website asks you to contact them for a carriage cost quote.

That sounds better thank you.
A 100m reel of WF125 has just arrived, guess who is going to be crawling through the loft space, Alanna of course, she laughs : )
I have loosend all the dish bracket fixing bolts and it pulls away one end and will try packing it out of interest, so that it is not pulling the dish to shape, problem is it may have already miss shaped the dish permanently.
The eleavation is going to have to be reset, so we have Alanna at one end and myself at the dish with walkie talkies, the drop below is two stories into the river : )

 

[mariust5]

If they don't budge open a case with PayPal , you will get your money back and maybe keep the dish as it will not be any use to them anymore anyway .

 

[Spiff]

If they don't budge open a case with PayPal , you will get your money back and maybe keep the dish as it will not be any use to them anymore anyway .

Sounds a good idea PayPal are very good.
I have just fitted some stainless steel washers between the dish and the bracket to fill the larger spacing at the top and bottom bolts, so that it does not pull the centre of the dish out of of shape.
Now for some tweaking to see if the dish has sprung back to shape, but I am not hopeful it being ally.

 

[Archived-1]

I am unsure if this has been mentioned, but I would measure the circumference of the dish from side arm to side arm bottom and then top,

 

[Spiff]

I am unsure if this has been mentioned, but I would measure the circumference of the dish from side arm to side arm bottom and then top,
View attachment 79897

Good evening I tried but had trouble with the cloth tape dropping off the bevel : )
I will use some selotape to hold it in place tomorrow.
Is there some mathematical relationship between the two measurements ?
Regards Spiff

 

[Jamie A]

Apart from buying direct from Laminas, there are a couple of Polish suppliers (Satsklep and Hollex) who will probably accept credit cards or even PayPal. Satsklep currently have the 1.2M Laminas on sale for €119.60 (about £85 at todays rates) Their website asks you to contact them for a carriage cost quote.

There's a guy on eBay based in Plymouth who has a batch of 1.2 Laminas dishes. He imported them direct from Poland. I bought one from him the other day, just waiting for it to arrive.

 

[Spiff]

There's a guy on eBay based in Plymouth who has a batch of 1.2 Laminas dishes. He imported them direct from Poland. I bought one from him the other day, just waiting for it to arrive.

Hallo are you going to fit in on a Diseqc motor ?
I should be interested to how it receives Nilesat.
Regards Spiff

 

[RimaNTSS]

I should be interested to how it receives Nilesat.

It will receive Nilesat- no way! It is impossible to receive Nilesat from UK on 1.2m dish.

 

[Jamie A]

Hallo are you going to fit in on a Diseqc motor ?
I should be interested to how it receives Nilesat.
Regards Spiff

I plan to put it on my TM-2600 motor eventually. It will be used as a ground-mounted fixed dish for the time being.

 

[Spiff]

It will receive Nilesat- no way! It is impossible to receive Nilesat from UK on 1.2m dish.

I received Nilsat on my 1.1m Triax in Mullion Cove Cornwall it was borderline at times.
I just checked TV1 to TV 14 10892H Niles on this 1.3 the list shows 312 stations most were also receivable on the 1.1.
I have just taken a photo of the screen as far as I k now that is Nilesat ?
Regards Allen

 

[Spiff]

I plan to put it on my TM-2600 motor eventually. It will be used as ground-mounted fixed dish for the time being.

I recently fitted a TM2600, it has zero play as they claim, so far I am very pleased with it. The previos motor a different make I forget which started to loose its memory after 12 months, it also had a lot of back lash.
Regards Spiff

 

[Archived-1]

Is there some mathematical relationship between the two measurements

Well they should be, when you have the measurements someone with the same type of dish can compare.

I can only go on what I can see, to me the dish is upside down, and the bracket is fitted the right way up but in the wrong place on a upside down dish.

If you look at the positioning of the arms in my last picture, then yours, yours looks centred and the other dish the arms look lower ?,

 

[Phoenixx]

Look carefully the dish is a offset dish and the steel arms must be not im the middel of the dish >

http://www.satellitesuperstore.co.uk/images/primesat125side.jpg

but lower , offcause you can recieve nilesat..

Dubbel check the focus distance from the papars from lnb to dish!

Check if you pole is vertical and if sirius is on 5 E first..

Will help ..