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Lancelot

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#2
Reporting it's K*y #24 now...



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RedDevil_UK

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#3
rumour is, its gone forever :( using a new encryption??
 

rolfw

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#6
Well it is due to go, as they have been replacing all of the old cards, whether this is the moment though.................?
 

BGonaSTICK

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#8
AFAIK, they're not changing to anything. They're just bunging up the hole that let the keys slip out...

C*nax is not really 'hacked' or 'cracked' or 'anything-else-acked' I'm afraid.

Why they didn't do this a long time ago can only be the subject of much late-night discussion. And we'll have plenty of them soon. :cool:
 

gameboy

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#9
BGonaSTICK said:
They're just bunging up the hole that let the keys slip out...
Sorry, dumb here, can you explain please?
 

jimmyireland35

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#10
BGonaSTICK said:
AFAIK, they're not changing to anything. They're just bunging up the hole that let the keys slip out...

C*nax is not really 'hacked' or 'cracked' or 'anything-else-acked' I'm afraid.

Why they didn't do this a long time ago can only be the subject of much late-night discussion. And we'll have plenty of them soon. :cool:

Please explain all this in laymans terms
 

daveenty

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Cas2 + Add on.
Mastera card progger.
Lots of Ice Scrapers :-)
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#11
From the usual source: -
Using new key 24..... No files expected the first many days

An interesting snippet I heard is that even genuine subscribers have lost it on the new cards at the moment :)
 

BGonaSTICK

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#12
I have no first hand knowledge of this, just what I've picked up and pieced together myself over the months.... I'm quite prepared for someone to shoot this down in flames, but here is my understanding...

Various revisions of the smartcards used to decrypt the Nordic transmissions on 1W ('C*nax') have been used over the years. Later revisions are secure, and no data can be read from the cards (i.e. keys etc.). Secure smartcards can be written to very easily with the correct data and a suitable programmer. Reading that same data back though, is a different story altogether.

One of the early revisions of the official C*nal D!gital cards contained a flaw which enabled the very clever and now financially-stable folks known as Team PDK to exploit that weakness and extract the current (and possibly the next) set of keys once they were downloaded to the cards by the provider. These are original smartcards we are talking about.

Once Team PDK have the plain, unencrypted keys, they re-encrypt them using their own methods (to safeguard their own investment), and put them in an 'MII file'. Also in that 'file' is a loader program, which decrypts the keys and loads them onto an MII card. The MII cards were commissioned by that team, and the profits from their sale go towards the continuing cycle of key extraction, re-packaging and redistribution.

When the boys are feeling generous, they let the plain keys slide out via their site known as ST*PST*P. Then everyone has them.

C*nal D!gital have now completed the replacement of those old cards with nice shiny new (and very secure) ones, killing off the old leaky ones.

Still with me?

No more keys... and no more free TV on 1W. Well at some point anyway. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.

How's that? Do I win a goldfish? Maybe I get my post deleted? Feel free, I'll not be offended. :D
 

gameboy

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#13
BGonaSTICK said:
I have no first hand knowledge of this, just what I've picked up and pieced together myself over the months....
Excellent - If they can intercept the K*ys on the way to the cards - whey hey!!!
 

Lancelot

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#14
When the boys are feeling generous, they let the plain keys slide out via their site known as
Are we sure this is the only way that they were available or is it poss that we can expect 'leaky' sources to come.

After all 'back to rumors again' it was reported that TC et al had some rupert copying gear found, and if that sys is partly compomised then maybe we can wait with baited breath ??


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BGonaSTICK

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#15
Lancelot said:
Are we sure this is the only way that they were available or is it poss that we can expect 'leaky' sources to come.

After all 'back to rumors again' it was reported that TC et al had some rupert copying gear found, and if that sys is partly compomised then maybe we can wait with baited breath ??


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Why? Do you know of another source in recent times? I'm thinking not, but then I'm just reading between the lines?

All this talk of ND$ being available in the forseable future is, IMHO all very positive n'all, but I really think that there isn't a snowballs chance in hell.

I'm not even going to think about it until the news breaks. And that could be a very long time. It'll surely be the last one to go for political reasons, and if it did, it would be gone again faster than you could say 'Fo-O o-O KFILES'.

Not worth going to jail for.
 

Channel Hopper

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#16
Ive heard that there are a number of additional levels of encryption of the Conax system - (we are presently on level 4 but the ones in the driving seat have been testing level 7)

so its up to some really clever bod to get the screen running again
 

neovo

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#18
your right there it is in blue.
Canal Digital Nordic is using only cards with CAS 5 & 7 from now on. CAS 3 is gone forever....................................................................................................
forever is a long time.