28.2°E and 19.2°E on one dish + how to fix dish to ground

[eb80]

Hello everyone, new here :-wave

I have got a portable campling dish at the moment which I use to get the 'freesat' channels. It was originally only meant to be temporary when the aerial broke but actually the picture is great and I have stuck with it.

Now I would like to get French channels as well and have bought a TNTSAT receiver. I would like to know if it would be possible for me to add a second LNB for this on one dish, and if so, what size dish should I buy for the permanent setup? I would like to try it on my camping dish (57cm) but I can't find an adaptor for adding a second LNB.

My other question is how should I fix the dish permanantly? The camping dish is on a suction foot attached to a worktop saver but this works quite well as it is hidden from view down on the ground (we are in a conservation area). If I buy a proper dish is there some way of setting it up on the ground without drilling into the front of the house, as I would need listed building consent and basically as a woman have only drilled things like wood and plantpots.

Thanks or any help.

 

[satelliteman]

Welcome to the forum.

A 60cm dish with an LNb offset bracket would be ok, 70cm would be slightly better. Setting up the dish focusing on 19e and 28e being offset. Take a browse here > http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/...133694-offset-lnb-monobloc-lnb-guide-pdf.html

Regarding fixing the dish, you could try a patio ground mount of some sort

 

[Robbo]

A non penetrating roof mount with 4 slabs in it would be the easiest way, but not the cheapest.


or you could concrete a scaffold pole in the ground, you can use fence post crete.

 

[mattsnapper]

Being in the south 70cm dish should be fine.

I used to have the same problem - you want it rock solid but equally you want it moveable. You can buy groundstands, bit of an 'in joke' but I thoroughly recommend putting an old car tyre around it to hold it down. You can even fill the tyre up with soil and put some plants in it and make it a garden feature - not that I am Percy Thrower.

perhaps this will help you _http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/dish-setup-single-sat-multi-sat-motorised-systems/165768-concreting-poles.html

There are many shops who sell stands on the internet. You are best of with the ones with flat legs rather than ones that resemble a photographers tripod.

 

[hexah]

Sandbags could be used to hold the patio mount down.

Spraying the dish and mount with a matt or satin paint from B&Q etc would help to hide it. Be aware that the silvery metal of the mount may be more visible than a dark coloured dish.

Perhaps add a few evergreen shrubs in pots to block any direct view from the street or driveway.

 

[eb80]

Thanks everyone.

The non-penetrating roof mount looks good, though it would depend on the height as my dish is right down on the ground right now with my patented non-penetrating ground mount (aka worktop saver)

Looking at the link about concreting, I might get someone to help me concrete a post in as then I can decide the height, though I have to be careful not to damage a nice rose that is behind the dish. I am not keen on the tripods as they are both raised too high and also take up a wide area for stability.

I would still like to try adding an extra LNB with my existing dish though. I am looking for a holder but the most common ones seem to be for Triax dishes.

Something like this would work but it says it is discontinued:
_http://www.maplin.co.uk/DiscontinuedModule.aspx?ModuleNo=97856

Does anyone know where I can get hold of something like that?

[fieldset= Moderation]Deactivated outbound link as per forum rules - SM[/fieldset]

 

[eb80]

That's wierd- I replied to this thread but it's not appearing.

 

[eb80]

Alright I can't see the option to edit my last post so sorry about adding a new one.

I think the gist of what I put in my original reply was thanks for all the help.

Is there a cheap holder for an extra LNB available that I can use to try and see if I can get both satellites on my existing dish? Most ones available seem to only fit triax dishes.

 

[hexah]

This multi LNB holder from ebay has been used successfully by a number of people on this board.

'Quality Multi LNB Holder' from Worldwidesatellite


This one is also a possibility.

'multi L.n.b holder' from simbahungowa, designed for the ISS perforated 'mesh' dishes but will fit other dishes

 

[satelliteman]

That's wierd- I replied to this thread but it's not appearing.

This was because your post was placed into a moderation queue as you had posted a live outbound link (now edited).

 

[eb80]

Thanks for editing my post, satelliteman.

I might give the second holder posted by hexah a try as it looks a bit sturdier than the first, also I feel black is less eye-catching than white in terms of blending in.

If not, I was thinking of a triax td64 or td78.

 

[image]

Bear in mind argest dish I've done this to is a 1m:

For fixing to ground buy a penetrating patio mount (tallest you can find), use four M8x60 expanding shield anchors and drill in to two paving slabs, one sized 600x600 the other 400x400 stacked on top.
Drill very slowly and if use a fresh 14mm bit if you can. More than a little bit of a bodge, but it does work as I've done it several times now and no one's dish has fallen over yet...

 

[eb80]

Thanks for your suggestion, Image. Also the tyre solution sounds interesting

Right now I am also considering a technisat multytenne twin or a triplesat dish which is from the same manufacturer which is for 28.2°E, 23.5°E and 19.2°E. The triplesat dish is slightly cheaper. But since the TNTSAT needs its own receiver I have to have a minimum of two receivers- does anyone know if the multytenne/triplesat would work with two receivers (one is a silvercrest FTA and the other is a TNTSAT sagem PVR)?

I am considering the multytenne/triplesat just because of size restrictions.

 

[hexah]

The Tritenne is for use in Italy and covers 19e 13e 9e.

The Multytenne is the one you want as it covers 19e 13e 23.5e 28e. It has a built in diseqc switch which has 19e as port 1 which means it can be used with a TNTSAT receiver (which apparently does not like being switched on to any other satellite). The full port allocation is 1-19.2e, 2-13e, 3-23.5e and 4-28e.

If you get one, make sure the provided wall mount is vertical when bolted to the wall, as the skew is preset inside the LNB head unit and doing so will ensure the best signal.

I suspect it cannot be easily used with most Freesat receivers due to the wacky design of the Freesat receivers. It will work fine with any FTA receiver.

However for two receivers you would need the twin output LNB version, which is almost twice the cost of the single LNB version! Have at look at SouthernSatellite (forum sponsor).

If you want to use a dish and multi LNB holder, and you are going for 28e and 19e then focus on 23.5e. Use a twin or quad LNB on 19e and single output LNBs for 28e and 23.5e. Take these outputs and the second output from 19e and put them into a 4 way diseqc switch. You could add an LNBs for 13e if you want. If you add 13e then you focus on 19e. Either way, take a seperate cable from the first port of the twin or quad LNB on 19e to the TNTSAT receiver.

Have a look at the Inverto MultiConnect multi LNB system which uses LNBs with small bodies that are easy to fit side by side. Or use alps LNBs or the larger bodied Inverto Silver Tech.

It should work on your camping dish. You might consider a 60cm ISS perforated 'mesh' dish with the ebay holder as the mesh is less obtrusive than a solid dish.

 

[eb80]

However for two receivers you would need the twin output LNB version, which is almost twice the cost of the single LNB version! Have at look at SouthernSatellite (forum sponsor).

Actually that's why I was interested in the Triplesat dish which doesn't seem to be sold in this country. I don't think it't the same thing as the Tritenne, it's meant for people in Belgium and Holland and it is €169.00 for the twin version which is significantly cheaper than the multytenne. Also, I am on the same latitude as Belgium or further south so that should help.

_http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.canaldigitaal.nl/producten/schotelsets/triple-sat.aspx
_http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.hebasat.nl/schotels/triplesat-45-cm.html

But I will give the multi-LNB holder a try first as I know I can get the right amount of feeds.

It is a shame that the TNTSAT receiver is so limited. Also the humax foxsat freesat HDR would work but apparently is limited in what it can do in 'non-freesat mode' (no epg? and using it means freesat recordings do not work).

Fransat is also difficult as 5 West is blocked my my porch so would need two dishes.

I thought that a dreambox might be the answer...till I saw the price!

 

[hexah]

Actually that's why I was interested in the Triplesat dish which doesn't seem to be sold in this country. I don't think it't the same thing as the Tritenne, it's meant for people in Belgium and Holland and it is €169.00 for the twin version which is significantly cheaper than the multytenne.

It is essentially a verson of the Multytenne without 13e especially made for Canaldigitaal Netherlands by Technisat. RTBF Sat and TV8 Mont Blanc are on 13e. RTBF Sat used to be on 19e but it moved last year.

Cable is dominant in Belgium as they can get a wider range of other national broadcasters (UK, France) as it is secure.

Also, I am on the same latitude as Belgium or further south so that should help.

All of these 45cm rectangular dishes are designed to work within the 51dBW contour, if installed properly. They were intended to cover all of Germany, including the most northerly town of Flensburg which is on a latitude with Sunderland and Newcastle on Tyne.

But I will give the multi-LNB holder a try first as I know I can get the right amount of feeds.

It is the cheapest and most flexible way, if you don't mind fiddling. The Multytenne and Triplesat are great for people who don't know a LNB from a dish.

It is a shame that the TNTSAT receiver is so limited. Also the humax foxsat freesat HDR would work but apparently is limited in what it can do in 'non-freesat mode' (no epg? and using it means freesat recordings do not work).

Yes, the Freesat design is remarkably stupid. O-no :mad:

Fransat is also difficult as 5 West is blocked my my porch so would need two dishes.

Check if you can find somewhere else to put a second dish at ground level. You only need line of sight to a speck in the _sky get the signal. Try the back of the house or further back from where you tried, below bushes etc. The camping dish will be easy to experiment with.

I thought that a dreambox might be the answer...till I saw the price!

It helps if you are used to computers, love Linux and are logically minded. And very patient.

 

[eb80]

It helps if you are used to computers, love Linux and are logically minded. And very patient.

Yes, I am good with computers and patient, Linux I can take or leave...2/4

I won't spend one grand on a receiver, if you add the 350 I already spent on one receiver and then add extras I might just as well a weekend in Paris once in a while for my fix of French tv.

 

[mattsnapper]

Get your sat stuff from France eb80!

Just because it was on sale and it was there, I got a Boston receiver and a 90cm dish and motor for under £60 in a well known French supermarket!!!!

On a slight tangent in Istanbul there is a street dedicated to musical instruments, a motor bike street, a street selling underwater equipment and a nice street with nothing but sat shops in it!

My point is, when abroad, go shopping

or look at building your own pc for 1/4 of the price of a top notch box