28.2 east will be hard to receive outside the uk soon new satellites

[antenna1]

As analoguesat first pointed out on another forum about this and i found some info on it direct from astra here is some info

The new satellites at 28.2 will have a few beams and some will run on the same frequence e.g 28.2 east uk spot beam 11.700-12.500 north africa beam 11.700-12.500 east europe beam 11.700-12.500 all from 28.2 east all on the same frequencies.

I have asked some one at SES Astra about the new satellites for 28.2 east as i deal with them with astra2connect (vsat) and they have told me that astras customers e.g bbc itv etc have asked for a more tight spot beam and he told me that new new satellites for 28.2 have been ordered and that they will have a tighter spot beam than astra 2D and said that the beam will be very hard to receive outside the uk and even a very large dish will be need to receive it at Betzdorf.

There will also be new KA band high speed 10mb vsat astra2connect from 28.2 east aswell.

 

[Lazarus]

Ahem ............. http://www.satellites.co.uk/satelli...ndustry-news/164253-bunch-new-satellites.html


Good idea also starting discussion in the Sky/Fringe bit of the Forum though, given the implications

 

[Analoguesat]

Im not at all surprised to see frequency reuse on nonen overlapping spotbeams coming to 28E - Ive been predicting it for several years now

1) its an easy way to increase available capacity in the overcrowded skies

2) its an exceptionally easy way of stopping the overspill that allows our distant expats to watch the uk tv channels..

If that frequency list is accurate theres going to be a LOT of frequency changes once 2D comes out of service.

 

[antenna1]

Sorry mate did not see that there maybe some on could merge the two threads in to one.

Ahem ............. http://www.satellites.co.uk/satelli...ndustry-news/164253-bunch-new-satellites.html


Good idea also starting discussion in the Sky bit of the Forum, though

 

[antenna1]

How about predicting some lotto numbers for me i will not tell any one

Im not at all surprised to see frequency reuse on nonen overlapping spotbeams coming to 28E - Ive been predicting it for several years now

1) its an easy way to increase available capacity in the overcrowded skies

2) its an exceptionally easy way of stopping the overspill that allows our distant expats to watch the uk tv channels..

If that frequency list is accurate theres going to be a LOT of frequency changes once 2D comes out of service.

 

[Turok]

will sky,also use this spotbeam,or only the bbc?
i still cannot imagine that i cannot receive it when the dish is big enough,we will see

 

[antenna1]

I do not know i have posted all i was told apart from uk fta broadcasters want tight spot beam transponders asap and astra is looking it to a temporary solution for this,

will sky,also use this spotbeam,or only the bbc?
i still cannot imagine that i cannot receive it when the dish is big enough,we will see

 

[Analoguesat]

They will carry some pan european beams.

from the press release:

The Ku-band capacity will allow SES ASTRA to enhance and secure its existing offering to major Direct-to-Home (DTH) markets in the UK and Ireland. With a Ku-band payload specifically designed to meet the requirements of some of Europe’s largest DTH broadcasters, the satellites will have spot beam and pan-European beam switching capabilities to accommodate both pay-TV and free-to-air broadcasters, and to provide these customers with increased functionality.

 

[Huevos]

he told me that new new satellites for 28.2 have been ordered and that they will have a tighter spot beam than astra 2D and said that the beam will be very hard to receive outside the uk and even a very large dish will be need to receive it at Betzdorf.

That is laughable. Seen from the satellite Betzdorf is less than 0.5º from a zone 1 dish area. In fact it is closer to zone 1 than most of Scotland.

On spot beams, the laws of physics apply. Spot beams can only be as tight as the antenna system allows. To have a 1º beamwidth with a -3dB limit you need a dish 2 metres in diameter. So how many big dishes (or bigger if you want to have tighter beams than 2D) will these satellites be carrying? And even with 2D it is not so much the spot beam, but the 5/6 FEC and low transmitter power (39W) that make it difficult to receive.

 

[johnneyboy]

well looking at the polish spot beam in dublin witch comes in at 0% 20% on 80cm dish , time will tell ,i would think that spain would be out , maybe central europe with new 28 sat

 

[antenna1]

I am only saying what i was told by astra satellite capacity sales department,

It is good news for me as i live in the uk and it will mean more FTA channels for the uk freesat platform.

That is laughable. Seen from the satellite Betzdorf is less than 0.5º from a zone 1 dish area. In fact it is closer to zone 1 than most of Scotland.

On spot beams, the laws of physics apply. Spot beams can only be as tight as the antenna system allows. To have a 1º beamwidth with a -3dB limit you need a dish 2 metres in diameter. So how many big dishes (or bigger if you want to have tighter beams than 2D) will these satellites be carrying? And even with 2D it is not so much the spot beam, but the 5/6 FEC and low transmitter power (39W) that make it difficult to receive.

 

[Lazarus]

Yes, I rather think that the proof will be in the pudding.

And there is always the possibility that the commissioning of the new Birds might not go exactly according to plan anyway - plenty of precedent there!

 

[Huevos]

well looking at the polish spot beam in dublin witch comes in at 0% 20% on 80cm dish , time will tell ,i would think th

That's because the intended audience is around 2000kms away. Not quite the same as Betzdorf.

Getting a spot beam is just a case of a big enough dish as long as there isn't a stronger signal present on the same frequency. As for overlapping beams who knows but if they are anything like current Middle East and African ku spot beams they're not going to present much problem in Western Europe.

The other thing is Astra needs to keep its options open. Ordering a satellite with all frequencies available on all antennas keeps its options open but doesn't mean the satellite will ever be configured this way, only that it is possible.

 

[trigger]

The other thing is Astra needs to keep its options open. Ordering a satellite with all frequencies available on all antennas keeps its options open but doesn't mean the satellite will ever be configured this way, only that it is possible.

Very true, Its all well and good talking about BBC, ITV etc wanting to be on a tight beam but do you really think Murdoch wants his Flagship channels limited to just the UK. As a company they will have a good idea how many subs thay have abroad and they will not want to loose the revenue.

I would guess it would be configured to please all parties


As per post 8. Sorry Analoguesat I should read first

 

[johnneyboy]

there,s one thing for sure guys, if we have solar storm there will be nothing up there watch anyway, food for thought

 

[Expat]

Believe it when I see it, anyway we can easily watch online these days with or without a vpn.

 

[Lazarus]

Believe it when I see it, anyway we can easily watch online these days with or without a vpn.

Errr, no!

Quite a lot of us in the UK are stuck with 512 kbps max for the foreseeable future 'O'

 

[Huevos]

well looking at the polish spot beam in dublin witch comes in at 0% 20% on 80cm dish

Does anyone else have any trouble receiving this "spot beam" (19.2ºE 10862H)? I just tried it and I'm getting 80dB, which is well above what I get from Astra 2D, but it's DVB-S2 so I can't check for lock. Anyone with an HD receiver give it a try?

 

[Huevos]

well looking at the polish spot beam in dublin witch comes in at 0% 20% on 80cm dish

Does anyone else have any trouble receiving this "spot beam" (19.2ºE 10862H)? I just tried it and I'm getting 80dB, which is well above what I get from Astra 2D, but it's DVB-S2 so I can't check for lock. Anyone with an HD receiver give it a try?

 

[woborny]

that beam and the german beam on 23 are on my list of thing to try on my 1,8m dish here just up the road from you....

just not got around to it yet!

too many clients getting int he way!!!!