422 on dreambox

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Just had a thought - T_G unzip this and go into the folder then copy and paste them into the filter folder, then click on the register.bat

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Lancelot said:
Just had a thought - T_G unzip this and go into the folder then copy and paste them into the filter folder, then click on the register.bat

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You folder is empty m8 :eek:
 

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Sorted now.
Sorry 'bout that :)


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Lancelot said:
Just had a thought - T_G unzip this and go into the folder then copy and paste them into the filter folder, then click on the register.bat

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Ahhhh I was looking for that elecard one! I think we are getting closer. Unfortunately I can't find a 422 station to check it out....
 

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By the way, I am still on the my theater as I could not get the progdvd to work with the disecq. It is not clear how to set the diseqc, I gave up on it.
 

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OK, it is working now with Progdvd.
Still, this elecard codec, can't it be adapted for dreambox?? Surely it should be possible to get the dreambox to show 422! Come on you clever guys!
 

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Cool :)
So you're sorted with 4:2:2 footie feeds now then T_G ?

I'll re-scan the arc over a bottle of wine when I get back, and post the channel list. (36E is gonna be pants compared to the signal you can get over there though) :D


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Yep, sorted. I am not impressed though with the progdvd channel list as well, a very complicated method. Still, at least it works.
Funny thing is, I scanned 19 east and all the taquilla channels have funny names rather than "Taquilla 1" . Why is this...

Also, have you ever used a channel editor on it?

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Yes the name thing is a pain, he said he'd sorted it with ver. 4.6.2 but it never names 19E correctly.

What - you mean re-naming them ??

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No, arranging them in favourites and weeding out the stuff that is not needed, same as I do with the dreambox.
 

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Yes - just treat it like windows, right mouse click and highlight a channel or block of them then copy paste delete or what ever.


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I still don't think it's possible to do 4:2:2 on the stand-alone Dreambox, or somebody would have written a plugin!

I'll also reserve judgement on this other unholy lash-up with the PC until someone I trust confirms it works.
 

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My DB won't even find the channels, as it can't seem to get a lock on a 422 transponder. At least I can view the HD stuff on VLC though. :) Just a shame there isn't anything worth watching yet.
 

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To explain 4.2.2 and 4.1.1 etc would take a long tutorial. If there's a wish I can write one that is technically correct.
For here, cutting corners:
To record or transmit an RGB pic at top resolution takes far too much bandwidth. So although the pics we get are 720x576, there is some averaging/compressing, spatial and temporal, to get the stream down to e.g. 4Mbps.
Full RGB is called 4.4.4 because averaging is usually done on a block of 4 pixels (2x2) and there is no averaging in RGB i.e. 4 R pixels, 4 G pixles and 4 B.
Now it has been long known that the eye is more sentive to b/w (called Y) so it is usual to record/TX all Y pixels.
Therefore before recording or TXing, the colour space is rotated from RGB into (say) YUV. Y is now R+G+B. The other two components are chosen to be the ones that fox the eye best. Studio recordings and live txs are moved about in 4.2.2 which means there is horizonal averaging of 2 pixels in the 2x2 block. This is the format on e.g. a digital beta tape. This is what is shipped in a 4.2.2 TX, the sort you are talking about, 4 Y pixles, 2 U pixels and 2 V pixels per block of 4.
mpeg2 does even more averaging over the 4 pixels and you will typically get 4.1.1 which means 4 b/w pixels bit just 1 each of the colour combinations in a block of 4. DVD is the same. "PAL" is less compressed than "NTSC". The quotes means that the terms PAL and NTSC are legacy names because the encoding is no longer old PAL.

Now hear this. If you want to watch 4.2.2 at home, you will need something that will convert it into a stream understood by your receiver, PC or Mac or TV. e.g. I have a YUV input to my TV but the receiver (D:cool: converts the mpeg to analogue YUV. YOu may have a brill receiver or nice software but it is probably not as good as the pro converters that change 4.2.2 into mpeg at the uplink or transmitter. Therefore 4.2.2 might look worse! If you can do 4.2.2 -> digital monitor, then you would not complain!
 

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Thanks for taking the time Haggard. That's very clear. :)
 

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Ahhh but as anyone found a feed of something exciting!!! thats the real question.... :)
 

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What about the FA cup?!?
 

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Thanks Haggard, that was a very fine write up. The way you subdued the 4.2.2 dragon was impressive. The way you kept writing those fours, y's and u's in the right order was a exceptional, not to speak of the educational value of the knowledge you have passed on. As someone who is more familiar with 442 against 433 I salute you!
 

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422 almost worked in older images, most of the picture could be seen. I think dream may have stopped development on that due to broadcaster pressure.
 

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Interesting. It's a bit off though if it's true. Broadcasters don't like it? - Then ENCRYPT!

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