Just Sharing This Arqiva National DAB Feeds on 4.8°E

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I've been feeling under the weather this weekend, and with a lack of things to do I got curious about the mysterious data services on 12303H on Astra 4.8°E -

BBC - CCI DAB
DAB D1
SDL NATL

As this transponder is an Arqiva one, and these services are the names of the UK's three national DAB multiplexes, I thought it might be safe to assume that these are the feeds that supply the transmitters across the country. :D If this is the case, then my thoughts turned to whether it might be possible to process them in some way on a computer and play the DAB services.

A couple of Google searches later and I stumbled across a page on a German language forum where some people seem to have managed to do just this! One has even managed to pipe the input into some SDR software that generates a signal for a small transmitter and has his own mini UK DAB transmitter in Germany! :D -

Englisches DAB National D1 Ensemble - Zuführung auf Sirius 5°Ost! - DAB Digitalradio Forum (I ran this through the nowadays pretty good Google Translate)

It turns out that the DAB multiplexes are carried in a format called ETI (it's an agreed standard for DAB/DAB+), which can be carried over satellite by pushing the raw data over a PID in the transponder transport stream. In this case, the relevant PIDs are:

1061 - BBC DAB
1062 - Digital 1
1063 - SDL National

In the German thread they mentioned a set of tools called ETI-tools that can process the PID and extract the DAB data -

GitHub - piratfm/eti-tools: ETI conversion software

The read me on this page explains all the tools and what they do.

For these UK services, it turns out that the signal needs converting through a few of these tools and then it becomes readable. I'm not sure of the details of what the technical ins and outs of it are but apparently the format carried on satellite is something called ETI-NA and it has to be converted to ETI-NI. The transport stream packets also contain some padding (so the DAB data doesn't entirely fill each packet) which has to be given to the eti tools software in the form of an "offset", which as that German thread states is "12".

I've just been testing the tools out and sure enough I'm getting readable DAB digital radio data back! :D

First off, as I use TVHeadend I'm using the multiplex HTTP stream address for 12303H, and then adding the ?pids= argument to the end to filter the relevant PID -

Code:
curl http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/beb3fdb566ab324fdaa4350be39a5e3d?pids=1061
I think you should be able to just feed in a stream URL for the multiplex on an Enigma 2 receiver though as well, because the ETI tools software will filter the PID for you in the next step.

Next, this TS stream needs processing with the ts2na tool to strip the packet headers and remove the 12 bytes of padding from the start of each packet -

Code:
./ts2na -p 1061 -s 12
Now the ETI-NA stream (apparently) needs to be converted to ETI-NI with the na2ni tool -

Code:
./na2ni
Finally, I haven't got as far as actually playing any audio yet or saving any streams to disk, but using the ni2http tool with the '--list' option then the software reports back a list of the decoded radio stations on each PID, proving that it's managing to decode the data!

Code:
./ni2http --list
These commands all go together via pipes -

Code:
curl http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/beb3fdb566ab324fdaa4350be39a5e3d?pids=1061 | ./ts2na -p 1061 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http --list
And then, bingo! I get the list of stations from the BBC National DAB multiplex from PID 1061! -

Code:
curl http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/beb3fdb566ab324fdaa4350be39a5e3d?pids=1061 | ./ts2na -p 1061 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http --list
INFO:  Using pid: 0x0425 (1061)
WARN:  Forwarded error correction disabled (NOT COMPILED)
  % Total  % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  Time  Time  Time  Current
  Dload  Upload  Total  Spent  Left  Speed
  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  0INFO:  E1 Sync found at bit: 314, inverted: yes
DEBUG: seek: B:39, b:2
DEBUG: pre-readed output 14 frames (24 bytes left):
DEBUG: MULTIFRAME FILLING: 206
INFO:  ETI Sync found at pos: 4
INFO:  ETI Multiframe sync found at blockId: 10
100  249k  0  249k  0  0  178k  0 --:--:--  0:00:01 --:--:--  178kBBC National DAB (0xce15)
 0 : BBC Radio 4Extra (0xc22c) Pri subch=12 start=774 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 1 : BBC Radio 1Xtra  (0xc22a) Pri subch=10 start=582 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
 2 : BBC AsianNetwork (0xc236) Pri subch= 7 start=486 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 3 : BBC WorldService (0xc238) Pri subch= 9 start=534 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 4 : BBC Radio 1  (0xc221) Pri subch= 1 start=  0 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
 5 : BBC Radio 2  (0xc222) Pri subch= 2 start= 96 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
 6 : BBC Radio 3  (0xc223) Pri subch= 3 start=192 CUs=140 PL=uep 3 bitrate=192
 7 : BBC Radio 4  (0xc224) Pri subch= 4 start=332 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
 8 : BBC Radio 5 Live (0xc225) Pri subch= 5 start=428 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 9 : BBC Radio 6Music (0xc22b) Pri subch=11 start=678 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
And then for PIDs 1062 and 1063 -

Code:
curl http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/beb3fdb566ab324fdaa4350be39a5e3d?pids=1062 | ./ts2na -p 1062 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http --list
WARN:  Forwarded error correction disabled (NOT COMPILED)
INFO:  Using pid: 0x0426 (1062)
  % Total  % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  Time  Time  Time  Current
  Dload  Upload  Total  Spent  Left  Speed
  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  0INFO:  E1 Sync found at bit: 222, inverted: yes
DEBUG: seek: B:27, b:6
DEBUG: pre-readed output 15 frames (4 bytes left):
DEBUG: MULTIFRAME FILLING: 207
INFO:  ETI Sync found at pos: 0
INFO:  ETI Multiframe sync found at blockId: 0
100  202k  0  202k  0  0  164k  0 --:--:--  0:00:01 --:--:--  164kD1 National (0xc181)
 0 :  Classic FM (0xc2a1) Pri subch= 1 start=  0 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
 1 :  talkSPORT (0xc0c0) Pri subch= 2 start= 96 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 2 :  Radio X (0xc4cd) Pri subch=17 start=156 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 3 :  LBC (0xc0c2) Pri subch=15 start=214 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 4 :  BFBS Radio (0xc3c0) Pri subch= 9 start=262 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 5 :  Capital XTRA (0xc37b) Pri subch=16 start=320 CUs= 84 PL=uep 3 bitrate=112
 6 :  Smooth Extra (0xc6c0) Pri subch= 8 start=404 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 7 :  Absolute Radio (0xc1c0) Pri subch= 3 start=462 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 8 :  UCB 1 (0xc4ca) Pri subch= 7 start=520 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 9 :  KISS (0xc5c0) Pri subch=10 start=568 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
10 :  Magic (0xc0c6) Pri subch=11 start=626 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
11 :  Heart extra (0xcfd1) Pri subch= 4 start=684 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
12 :  Capital UK (0xc5da) Pri subch=12 start=742 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
Code:
curl http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/beb3fdb566ab324fdaa4350be39a5e3d?pids=1063 | ./ts2na -p 1063 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http --list
INFO:  Using pid: 0x0427 (1063)
WARN:  Forwarded error correction disabled (NOT COMPILED)
  % Total  % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  Time  Time  Time  Current
  Dload  Upload  Total  Spent  Left  Speed
  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  0INFO:  E1 Sync found at bit: 480, inverted: yes
DEBUG: seek: B:60, b:0
DEBUG: pre-readed output 14 frames (3 bytes left):
DEBUG: MULTIFRAME FILLING: 206
INFO:  ETI Sync found at pos: 2
INFO:  ETI Multiframe sync found at blockId: 19
100 58120  0 58120  0  0  84276  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 84231SDL National  (0xc1ce)
 0 : talkRADIO  (0xc0d8) Pri subch= 1 start=  0 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 1 : talkSPORT 2  (0xc1d8) Pri subch= 2 start= 48 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 2 : Virgin Radio  (0xc3d8) Pri subch= 3 start= 96 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 3 : KISSTORY  (0xc4d8) Pri subch= 4 start=154 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 4 : Mellow Magic  (0xc5d8) Pri subch= 5 start=212 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 5 : heat radio  (0xc6d8) Pri subch= 6 start=270 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 6 : Planet Rock  (0xc7d8) Pri subch= 7 start=328 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 7 : Absolute Rad 80s (0xc8d8) Pri subch= 8 start=386 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 8 : Sunrise National (0xc9d8) Pri subch= 9 start=444 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 9 : Awesome Radio  (0xcad8) Pri subch=10 start=492 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
10 : UCB 2  (0xcbd8) Pri subch=11 start=540 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
11 : PremierChristian (0xccd8) Pri subch=12 start=588 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
12 : Premier Praise  (0xcdd8) Pri subch=13 start=636 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
13 : Share Radio  (0xc2d8) Pri subch=14 start=684 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
14 : Panjab Radio  (0xced8) Pri subch=15 start=732 CUs= 42 PL=uep 3 bitrate=56
15 : Fun Kids UK  (0xcfd8) Pri subch=16 start=774 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
16 : Jazz FM Stereo  (0xcad7) Pri subch=17 start=798 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
17 : Magic Chilled  (0xced7) Pri subch=18 start=822 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
18 : Union JACK  (0xc7ff) Pri subch=19 start=846 CUs= 18 PL=eep-3a bitrate=24 DAB+
Hopefully this might be of interest to someone else as well! Especially if you live out of terrestrial range of the DAB transmitters.

The next step will be to decode the actual audio now that I know the software definitely all works.
 
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And a very quick update! I've managed to write some audio data to disk. Using ni2http with a config file, to stream Jazz FM to a file from the SDL multiplex (PID 1063) -

Code:
curl -s http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/beb3fdb566ab324fdaa4350be39a5e3d?pids=1063 | ./ts2na -p 1063 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http -c /home/adam/jazzfm.conf
jazzfm.conf file -

Code:
[channel]
sid:        0xcad7
extract_pad:    0
file:        /home/adam/jazzfm.aac
And sure enough, Jazz FM's DAB+ HE-AAC audio has been written to a file! :D

Now if I can figure out all the Icecast server stuff that's mentioned in the eti tools guide then it looks like it's possible to stream all the stations on each multiplex to a stream URL on your home network.
 

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Excellent post Adam. Well done.

Pity it's such a poor audio medium!
 
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Yes the quality on a lot of (especially the commercial) services is pretty poor. Far too much in the way of mono and abysmally low bitrates.

The BBC stereo stations always sound pretty good for 128kbps MP2 though I find. Around here it's very useful to have in the car as it's much better than FM. The BBC National stations are really poor with fuzzing and fading and constant flicking between different transmitters (Sutton Coldfield, Wenvoe, Ridge Hill and even Llangollen) on FM whereas BBC National DAB is crystal clear all around and so much more pleasant to listen to.

Just made a short recording of 6 Music from there, and the 128kbps MP2 file was sounding quite nice through the PC's speakers.

I think there's a feed of Digital 1 on 9°E as well. It's on a different frequency in Scotland (maybe even with different adverts on Classic FM etc), so that could be the feed for that version maybe.
 
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Try living round here - the DAB coverage is a joke - theres only one transmitter carrying one commercial mux (Selkirk - D1 National which lost two of the popular services off it last year) and the range of the piddly power fill in transmitters for the BBC mux is pathetic
 
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OMG iwas looking for some information about thedecoding dab stream on astra 23,5E
12641 V DVB-S/DAB 1342 5/6 and
12645 V DVB-S/DAB 1489 3/4

and finally here it is :) im so greatefull thanks :)

by the way do you guys know how to decode/listen or do something with this tranponder
12548 V DVB-S2/QPSK 1232 3/4

there are some radio channels but they are not dvb-ip. any clue?
 
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I didn't know German DAB is on 23.5E! I'll have to check those out :)

I'm not sure about those Kronehit stations on 12548V. Kingofsat lists them as Dolby Digital Plus which is not supported on some receivers. They could be some kind of proprietary codec though that's designed only for the receivers used at the transmitter sites.
 
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are these feeds encrypted?
 
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Looks like the two commercial multiplexes (Digital 1 and SDL National) have now also appeared on the Freesat Home transponder at 28.2°E (11425H).

This same method to decapsulate them should apply. When I get chance I’ll have a try.
 
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Sure enough, these work in exactly the same way on 28.2°E as 4.8°E. The PIDs are even identical (1062 and 1063)!

Code:
adam@mediacentre:~/eti-tools$ curl -s http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/e2ed1c81be5ebdb5781fe69d6f5eba1a?pids=1062 | ./ts2na -p 1062 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http --list
INFO:  Using pid: 0x0426 (1062)
WARN:  Forwarded error correction disabled (NOT COMPILED)
INFO:  E1 Sync found at bit: 429, inverted: yes
DEBUG: seek: B:53, b:5
DEBUG: pre-readed output 14 frames (10 bytes left):
DEBUG: MULTIFRAME FILLING: 206
INFO:  ETI Sync found at pos: 2
INFO:  ETI Multiframe sync found at blockId: 8
.D1 National (0xc181)
 0 :  Capital XTRA (0xc37b) Pri subch=16 start=320 CUs= 84 PL=uep 3 bitrate=112
 1 :  Smooth Extra (0xc6c0) Pri subch= 8 start=404 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 2 :  Absolute Radio (0xc1c0) Pri subch= 3 start=462 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 3 :  UCB 1 (0xc4ca) Pri subch= 7 start=520 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 4 :  KISS (0xc5c0) Pri subch=10 start=568 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 5 :  Magic (0xc0c6) Pri subch=11 start=626 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 6 : Heart extra Xmas (0xcfd1) Pri subch= 4 start=684 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 7 :  Capital UK (0xc5da) Pri subch=12 start=742 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 8 :  Magic Xmas (0xc0df) Pri subch=18 start=800 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 9 :  Classic FM (0xc2a1) Pri subch= 1 start=  0 CUs= 96 PL=uep 3 bitrate=128
10 :  talkSPORT (0xc0c0) Pri subch= 2 start= 96 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
11 :  Radio X (0xc4cd) Pri subch=17 start=156 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
12 :  LBC (0xc0c2) Pri subch=15 start=214 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
13 :  Heart 80s (0xc1dc) Pri subch= 9 start=262 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
Code:
adam@mediacentre:~/eti-tools$ curl -s http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/mux/e2ed1c81be5ebdb5781fe69d6f5eba1a?pids=1063 | ./ts2na -p 1063 -s 12 | ./na2ni | ./ni2http --list
INFO:  Using pid: 0x0427 (1063)
WARN:  Forwarded error correction disabled (NOT COMPILED)
INFO:  E1 Sync found at bit: 384, inverted: yes
DEBUG: seek: B:48, b:0
DEBUG: pre-readed output 14 frames (15 bytes left):
DEBUG: MULTIFRAME FILLING: 206
INFO:  ETI Sync found at pos: 4
INFO:  ETI Multiframe sync found at blockId: 19
.SDL National  (0xc1ce)
 0 : talkRADIO  (0xc0d8) Pri subch= 1 start=  0 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 1 : talkSPORT 2  (0xc1d8) Pri subch= 2 start= 48 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 2 : Virgin Radio  (0xc3d8) Pri subch= 3 start= 96 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 3 : KISSTORY  (0xc4d8) Pri subch= 4 start=154 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 4 : Mellow Magic  (0xc5d8) Pri subch= 5 start=212 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 5 : HEAT RADIO  (0xc6d8) Pri subch= 6 start=270 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 6 : Planet Rock  (0xc7d8) Pri subch= 7 start=328 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 7 : Absolute Rad 80s (0xc8d8) Pri subch= 8 start=386 CUs= 58 PL=uep 3 bitrate=80
 8 : Sunrise National (0xc9d8) Pri subch= 9 start=444 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
 9 : UCB 2  (0xcbd8) Pri subch=11 start=492 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
10 : PremierChristian (0xccd8) Pri subch=12 start=540 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
11 : Premier Praise  (0xcdd8) Pri subch=13 start=588 CUs= 48 PL=uep 3 bitrate=64
12 : Panjab Radio  (0xced8) Pri subch=15 start=636 CUs= 42 PL=uep 3 bitrate=56
13 : Fun Kids UK  (0xcfd8) Pri subch=16 start=678 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
14 : Jazz FM Stereo  (0xcad7) Pri subch=17 start=702 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
15 : Magic Chilled  (0xced7) Pri subch=18 start=726 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
16 : Union JACK  (0xc7ff) Pri subch=19 start=750 CUs= 24 PL=eep-3a bitrate=32 DAB+
 
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so these are just data services i cant actually listen to them?
 
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Have you even read this thread? You will not succeed on a receiver...
actually the feeds would appear on a receiver but you cant decode them like e.g the astra2connect data streams appear on 23.5e but the receiver wouldnt know what to do with them
 
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so these are just data services i cant actually listen to them?
i couldnt find them in my channel list
actually the feeds would appear on a receiver but you cant decode them like e.g the astra2connect data streams appear on 23.5e but the receiver wouldnt know what to do with them
I don't think I could've made the instructions much clearer? :D

You can listen to them on a computer if you stream the service from your satellite receiver and process it using the tools provided (you'd have to work this out yourself, although the DAB tools I have linked to mention the use of Enigma 2 receivers). The actual DAB streams appear on a normal satellite receiver as a data service per DAB multiplex, e.g. "SDL NATL", "DAB D1".
 
Lazarus

Lazarus

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My Satellite Setup
80cm Motorised.
Several small Dishes.
Much else.
My Location
North York Moors
^^^^^^^


He can't hear you ...... ;)
 
Adam792

Adam792

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My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
Can anyone with a multistream capable card and reception of 1°W Nordic beams pick up this?

10704V 4200 3/4 DVB-S2 8PSK MIS Stream 171

What PIDs are on there? Apparently they carry Norwegian NRK DAB+ on there! There could be a few different PIDs as NRK Digital Radio is regional.
 
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