Astra 1N chat - January 2012

[Analoguesat]

If 2D had failed early


well the BBC almost certainly has clauses in place that means in an emergency smaller less important channels get booted off to keep at least some of the BBC channels on air. (One tp would have been enough to keep the main BBC channels on air - the regional stuff could have been dumped for the duration)

Even if they were temporarily fta on the widebeam it wouldnt have mattered in an emergency.

 

[timo_w2s]

Or maybe Astra could have done some reorganising, eg using the old Polish beam on 1KR

 

[andrewcrawford]

Or maybe Astra could have done some reorganising, eg using the old Polish beam on 1KR

i thought that but would thepolish beam have been big enough?

 

[Analoguesat]

i thought that but would thepolish beam have been big enough?

I doubt SES would have released 1KR - Germany is a much bigger market than the UK.

Its all hypothetical anyway, although Im sure SES have contingency plans for any individual satellite failure in the fleet.

 

[andrewcrawford]

If 2D had failed early


well the BBC almost certainly has clauses in place that means in an emergency smaller less important channels get booted off to keep at least some of the BBC channels on air. (One tp would have been enough to keep the main BBC channels on air - the regional stuff could have been dumped for the duration)

Even if they were temporarily fta on the widebeam it wouldnt have mattered in an emergency.

but im not just talking bbc there was quite a few otehr things on 2d rte nick disney itv regions i think hd channels i meant could they have doen something ina emergancy liek you said tht would have kept a miinal service?

 

[Analoguesat]

Well some sort of ITV emergency service could have been knocked together on one tp even if everyone got London for a few months.

SES are unlikley to ever release their internal disaster recovery plans so its all guesswork

 

[Satellite74]

SES are unlikley to ever release their internal disaster recovery plans

They aren't ever free with much info whatsoever... their policy seems to be, as long as everything is running as it should, the public don't need to know anything about what goes on behind the scenes. In the run-up to 1N, all they would tell you was that UK viewers would notice little difference compared to 2D and wouldn't even have to retune their receivers. end of.

And it's the same with the new 2F footprint. They simply won't tell you where fringe reception will be possible. As far as they're concerned, all the public need to know is that the spot beam will come in nice and strong over the British Isles.

 

[Lazarus]

Which, in all respects, is as it should be.

 

[Analoguesat]

Which, in all respects, is as it should be.

Correct - all this sort of stuff is commercially sensitive.

Stuff gets released when it is appropriate and as hobbyists we have to accept that.

We can make guesses as to what happens in any particular scenario, and any particular persons input is as valid a guess as anyone elses - but guesses will be all they are..

 

[C0re]

i just wonder what would have happened if astra 1n failed in it launch or kept getting delayed??? clearly 2d was dying quicker than expected and they realy wanted it shut down before completely lost but would there been any other bird that been able to give a spot of some kinda big enough to cover the uk and not give to much overspill to keep everyone happy, could it have been possible that freesat was shutdown??? hypertorical quetion unlikely to happen now just wondering

Maybe the Astra 3A would have been relocated to the 28.2 position. It's the same bird and is completely backed up by the 3B at 23.5. This bird hasn't been used that heavily and got in use one year later than the 2D. In the future plan of SES (2014) the 3A is still in their fleet and the 2D has been removed from that plan. Also an indication that there's something wrong with the 2D.

 

[Analoguesat]

Maybe the Astra 3A would have been relocated to the 28.2 position. It's the same bird and is completely backed up by the 3B at 23.5. This bird hasn't been used that heavily and got in use one year later than the 2D. In the future plan of SES (2014) the 3A is still in there fleet and the 2D has been removed from that plan. Also an indication that there's something wrong with the 2D.

3A isnt any good for 28E - she only transmits in Eutelsats two blocks of 28E frequencies,.

 

[C0re]

3A isnt any good for 28E - she only transmits in Eutelsats two blocks of 28E frequencies,.

Yes, stupid me! Didn't think about the frequency range.

 

[M60]

Correct - all this sort of stuff is commercially sensitive.

Stuff gets released when it is appropriate and as hobbyists we have to accept that.

We can make guesses as to what happens in any particular scenario, and any particular persons input is as valid a guess as anyone elses - but guesses will be all they are..

Even those in the industry rarely find out about some of these things until they actually happen! When it comes to SES's goings on you often find out info quicker on forums like this rather than anything the operator tells you!

 

[Satellite74]

do you guys think SES Astra also follow satellite enthusiast forums like this one here to see how their footprints actually turn out once a satellite is up and running?

Surely that would be a more cost efficient way of gauging what a new bird of theirs can actually do, instead of driving around with receiver equipment on the back of a lorry across Europe

and maybe in that case, we should keep quiet altogether in the future with any reception reports... :-shifty

 

[Huevos]

i just wonder what would have happened if astra 1n failed in it launch or kept getting delayed??? clearly 2d was dying quicker than expected and they realy wanted it shut down before completely lost but would there been any other bird that been able to give a spot

Maybe 1D. It was sent there months before and there must have been some reason. I know it is inclined, but maybe there is still enough fuel on board to get it geostationary again if necessary. And it does have transponders on these frequencies.