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Astra 2d in Sweden
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<blockquote data-quote="archive10" data-source="post: 759505"><p>As the wise people on this board have said before: "Fringe reception isn't an exact science", so it's difficult to say. But roughly, I would illustrate this hierarchically:</p><p></p><p>1) <strong>2D or not 2D</strong>. If you can't see 2D, theres no BBC1,2,3,4,HD / ITV1,2,3,4 / Channel4,5,More4 etc. As pointed out above several times, YOU CAN however see all of what's on 2A, 2B and Eurobird1. This includes all the premium Sky Channels (i.e. sports, movies etc if you have a paid subscription) and all the, ahem, special interest channels (faith TV, shopping channels, chicks-on-a-couch, general garbage). In fact, you don't need a 150 for that - an 80 cm will do, maybe even less (e.g. good 64cm).</p><p></p><p>2) <strong>H vs V</strong>: If you are almost there with a 150, the next differentiator is between vertical and horizontal transponders (they way microwaves are sent make it possible to have various polarisations). For us in the nordics, the vertical ones are the most difficult, so you may find that the horizontal ones work, but not the vertical ones.</p><p></p><p>3) <strong>Micro-variations between transponders</strong>: some transponders are stronger, some weaker. If you are just on the bordeline, you may find that some transponders might work, while others with the same polarisation won't work. I get this even here with ITV3: with the CM180 spot-on the transponder carrying the main BBC mux (10773H), I generally can't see ITV3 or ITV3+1 (10906V) with my Foxsat.</p><p></p><p>For exact listing of what channels are on which satellite, transponder and polarisation, see e.g. lyngsat at _http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html</p><p></p><p>(of course you can point a normal sized dish at 5W, 13 or 19.2 and get french, italian, polish and german channels if you are so inclined. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> )</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you go for a 150cm steel or alu dish, it should be doable. If you go for an SMC (the CM180 is one such), you need a substantial L-bracket or similar, and a wall that does not mind a 100 kg sail strapped to it (ie. doesn't move/buckle). Speculating you have a timber-frame house with timber walls, I would think you need quite some re-inforcement to ensure it sticks. But fully doable, I should say. You should consult with a structural engineer, they can give qualified advice on something like this.</p><p></p><p>(Don't put it on your roof unless you have re-inforced concrete all the way up as in an industrial building. You may loose your roof! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />)</p><p></p><p>Other downside is that it's would be a bitch to mount and adjust when high up on a wall. The CM180 with bracket will be 100 kg or more, and is rather cumbersome to adjust when perched on a ladder (or even hanging from a window). <img src="https://www.satellites.co.uk/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>And just to be clear: Do. Not. Be. Tempted. To. Buy. A. Steel. Petal. Dish. (Fortec Star / Jonsa). They are waste of money for this application. (They probably work well for other people in other situations in other parts of the world, but for 2D in south sweden; forget it.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="archive10, post: 759505"] As the wise people on this board have said before: "Fringe reception isn't an exact science", so it's difficult to say. But roughly, I would illustrate this hierarchically: 1) [B]2D or not 2D[/B]. If you can't see 2D, theres no BBC1,2,3,4,HD / ITV1,2,3,4 / Channel4,5,More4 etc. As pointed out above several times, YOU CAN however see all of what's on 2A, 2B and Eurobird1. This includes all the premium Sky Channels (i.e. sports, movies etc if you have a paid subscription) and all the, ahem, special interest channels (faith TV, shopping channels, chicks-on-a-couch, general garbage). In fact, you don't need a 150 for that - an 80 cm will do, maybe even less (e.g. good 64cm). 2) [B]H vs V[/B]: If you are almost there with a 150, the next differentiator is between vertical and horizontal transponders (they way microwaves are sent make it possible to have various polarisations). For us in the nordics, the vertical ones are the most difficult, so you may find that the horizontal ones work, but not the vertical ones. 3) [B]Micro-variations between transponders[/B]: some transponders are stronger, some weaker. If you are just on the bordeline, you may find that some transponders might work, while others with the same polarisation won't work. I get this even here with ITV3: with the CM180 spot-on the transponder carrying the main BBC mux (10773H), I generally can't see ITV3 or ITV3+1 (10906V) with my Foxsat. For exact listing of what channels are on which satellite, transponder and polarisation, see e.g. lyngsat at _http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html (of course you can point a normal sized dish at 5W, 13 or 19.2 and get french, italian, polish and german channels if you are so inclined. :D ) If you go for a 150cm steel or alu dish, it should be doable. If you go for an SMC (the CM180 is one such), you need a substantial L-bracket or similar, and a wall that does not mind a 100 kg sail strapped to it (ie. doesn't move/buckle). Speculating you have a timber-frame house with timber walls, I would think you need quite some re-inforcement to ensure it sticks. But fully doable, I should say. You should consult with a structural engineer, they can give qualified advice on something like this. (Don't put it on your roof unless you have re-inforced concrete all the way up as in an industrial building. You may loose your roof! :eek:) Other downside is that it's would be a bitch to mount and adjust when high up on a wall. The CM180 with bracket will be 100 kg or more, and is rather cumbersome to adjust when perched on a ladder (or even hanging from a window). :) And just to be clear: Do. Not. Be. Tempted. To. Buy. A. Steel. Petal. Dish. (Fortec Star / Jonsa). They are waste of money for this application. (They probably work well for other people in other situations in other parts of the world, but for 2D in south sweden; forget it.) [/QUOTE]
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