Astra 2F at 28.2E: General Discussion

[Analoguesat]

Of course not - it was a chinese whisper rumour that started on the forums somewhere and took a life of its own. It was never confirmed by any reliable source.

 

[Lazarus]

Yep- no reliable source.

We had some rather uninformative stuff from SES' own PR people, but they didn't seem too clued up either.

What is for sure is that the parties involved seem to be in no particular hurry, despite the expectations of the hoi-polloii!

 

[davemurgtroyd]

Thanks for that. Why is the Roi OK but not other EU States such as Spain then? Roi is not part of the UK either!
And what happened to the EU Directive that says an EU Citizen moving residence to another EU State should be
permitted to subscribe (= continue to subscribe) to satellite services transmitted from his "home" State?
Carole.

There is no such directive. I think you are referring incorrectly to the TV sans frontieres directive which states merely that no member state shall prevent reception of FTA broadcasts from any other state and has specific provisos to allow for restriction by encryption for pay TV and also you need to note that the recent ECJ judgement has only clarified the situation that it is not criminally illegal to use viewing cards outside their "territory" but does not force any broadcaster to allow such use and it remains completely legal for any broadcaster finding cards being used as such to turn those cards off as the viewer (or agent who supplied the card) has fraudlently entered into their contract - read the terms and conditions in the contracts of these services..

Too many people (and the press) misquote these directives and judgements and the public accept these misquotes as fact.

 

[Huevos]

Of course not - it was a chinese whisper rumour that started on the forums somewhere and took a life of its own. It was never confirmed by any reliable source.

Well if it's going to happen before Christmas it will be tonight.

 

[Huevos]

Why is the Roi OK

Without getting into politics, Sky buy rights for UK & ROI. As far as the BBC and the spot beam, of course it can be received from ROI as that beam also carries the ROI national channels and the BBC channels being FTA can be received by anyone that can capture that beam. Regarding EPGs, Sky ROI EPG carries BBCs, but no ITVs. And there is no ROI Freesat region.

 

[avionista]

In November, at our holiday home 5 miles south of Torrevieja (Costa Blanca) I tuned in 11023H and had stable pictures on the two HD channels transmitted on this transponder. My receiver is an Eaglebox 800 HD and it showed S/S 89% Q 51%. I am now back in Scotland, near St Andrews, and using the same receiver I am getting S/S 93% Q51% (in the evening) Q 61% (in the morning). The two factors which have changed are location and dish size, as follows:

Costa Blanca: dish = 1.8m Famaval PF, invacom twin LNB, Gain 45db @10.7 GHz, carefully aligned.

Scotland: dish = standard zone two Sky dish/LNB, Gain 34-35db @ 10.7 GHz, not very carefully aligned.

This indicates the 11023H signal is around 10/11 db weaker in the Costa Blanca compared with the signal I am getting in Scotland. Assuming the EIRP of the signal in Scotland is around 50 dbW, the Costa Blanca EIRP should be around 40dbW, which should be receivable on a dish of 1.2m, or greater.

I'm not sure my logic is entirely correct, but it seems plausible.

 

[PaulR]

In November, at our holiday home 5 miles south of Torrevieja (Costa Blanca) I tuned in 11023H and had stable pictures on the two HD channels transmitted on this transponder.

Were you still there on December 3rd as ait was after this date that the transfer to 2F took place.

It sounds very much like you were still tuning in to 1N.

 

[solly]

Well if it's going to happen before Christmas it will be tonight.

what going to be tonight ?

 

[timo_w2s]

what going to be tonight ?

I'm guessing nothing ;) but Huevos was talking about the 2B to 2F transfer.

 

[solly]

that nice to 2b to 2f new map report pan europe beam

 

[C0re]

Huevos only said that if it would happen before Christmas then it's tonight.

 

[avionista]

PaulR

I was there until 1st December but 11023H was transmitting two BBC HD test channels on 2F by then. In fact, 11023H is still transmitting these test channels now.

My comparison of signal strength/quality is only with reference to 11023H on 2F, not any other transponders.

 

[terryashbyash]

In November, at our holiday home 5 miles south of Torrevieja (Costa Blanca) I tuned in 11023H and had stable pictures on the two HD channels transmitted on this transponder. My receiver is an Eaglebox 800 HD and it showed S/S 89% Q 51%. I am now back in Scotland, near St Andrews, and using the same receiver I am getting S/S 93% Q51% (in the evening) Q 61% (in the morning). The two factors which have changed are location and dish size, as follows:

Costa Blanca: dish = 1.8m Famaval PF, invacom twin LNB, Gain 45db @10.7 GHz, carefully aligned.

Scotland: dish = standard zone two Sky dish/LNB, Gain 34-35db @ 10.7 GHz, not very carefully aligned.

This indicates the 11023H signal is around 10/11 db weaker in the Costa Blanca compared with the signal I am getting in Scotland. Assuming the EIRP of the signal in Scotland is around 50 dbW, the Costa Blanca EIRP should be around 40dbW, which should be receivable on a dish of 1.2m, or greater.

I'm not sure my logic is entirely correct, but it seems plausible.

Logic sounds fine to me but I suspect you mean dBuV rather dBW, not trying to be picky just helpful.

 

[avionista]

terryashbash

My terminology was probably a bit loose but what I was trying to say is the apparent power (EIRP) transmitted towards a receiver in Scotland is around 50dbW whereas the apparent power transmitted towards a receiver in Torrevieja seems to be around 40dbW. I used dbW units mainly because the dish size required to receive a given signal level is often cross-referenced to dbW, e.g. 40cm dish = 55dbW, 1m dish = 43dbW, 38dbW = 1.5m dish.

 

[PaulR]

PaulR

I was there until 1st December but 11023H was transmitting two BBC HD test channels on 2F by then. In fact, 11023H is still transmitting these test channels now.

My comparison of signal strength/quality is only with reference to 11023H on 2F, not any other transponders.

Apologies, I had overlooked that. You're absolutely right.

 

[C0re]

Weird report on KingOfSat.net. the BBC transponder 10847V switched to the 2F. Can't be right!

 

[C0re]

I've sent a report that it's still on the 1N with a link to the BBC blog.

 

[trigger]

An interesting one to watch might be 12480 V which is currently on 2B north (currently unavailable in some southern extremes)
If 2B migrates directly to 2E, 2F or 2G then it could be on pan European beam. But as it carries CH4 & E4 Ireland etc (although encrypted) will it go Pan Europe or spot beam?

Just an interesting one to watch for those not seeing 2F at present.

Cheers

 

[PaulR]

I would guess that, as they're encrypted, they'll go on the PE beam.

 

[timo_w2s]

I would guess that, as they're encrypted, they'll go on the PE beam.

Ah, but are they only encrypted because they are on the PE? I'm sure Freesat would like them for NI.