Astra 2F: European Beam Transfers Starting?

[davidcmadrid]

Hi

With gebertini 140 m no signal in 12207 v in HERAKLION CRETE .

You would imagine that would be recievable or at least have some signs of life even if patchy if 1n PE1. It comes down to just how sharp one believe the border to be.

 

[C0re]

Yep, but it does seem rather weak. Parts of the day it's hardly holding a lock with a sensitive receiver and a decent 1.8m dish that used to get the 2D verticals. If it was 1N PE2 I would have excepted the signal to be a little more stable rather than fade out in a 24 hour cycle like you get on the fringes.

Remember that those two streams aren't ordinary streams and in 8PSK modulation. Moreover, the strength could be less than other 1N transponders.

 

[C0re]

You would imagine that would be recievable or at least have some signs of life even if patchy if 1n PE1. It comes down to just how sharp one believe the border to be.

Herkalion is further away from the 90-120cm footprint zone than for example Chania. So not that strange.

 

[skomedal]

You would imagine that would be recievable or at least have some signs of life even if patchy if 1n PE1. It comes down to just how sharp one believe the border to be.

Guys from crete etc know what recception levels are in each instance.

Lets talk reality and not theory as this is getting us nowhere sloooooooooow O-zzz

 

[peeter3000]

What beam do you suggest for 11005V and 11185V, considering they are visible on the Canaries scan but not from Greece.

11005 & 11185 are "medium-strong" in Tallinn -Estonia

 

[miha20]

11005 & 11185 are zero in Kiev, and they are on Astra 1N PE1
I can't lock all of transferred freq from 2B(not to 2A) ,but I had lock on test signals from 2F. So these freq are on Astra 1N PE1 or Astra 2F beam has been moved to west
This how 28.2E looks like from Kiev

 

[timo_w2s]

Remember that those two streams aren't ordinary streams and in 8PSK modulation. Moreover, the strength could be less than other 1N transponders.

But would that explain the 24 hour fading in and out? Strongest signal is around midnight local time. Helsinki is well within the main PE2 footprint so I would have thought it would be reasonably steady any time of day.

 

[timo_w2s]

11005 & 11185 are "medium-strong" in Tallinn -Estonia

Is that on your 3m?

On my 1.8m in Helsinki it's weak-medium. My receiver struggles to get a decent lock during around lunch time but is good in the evenings, night and early morning.

 

[C0re]

That would indeed suggest it to be on the 1N PE1 or UK beam for that matter. Unfortunately I can't check those signals. My tuner only receives 'ordinary' signals. It's strange that I receive 12207V relatively low in comparison with other frequencies. I'm situated within the core of all footprints except 2F UK: I'm within the second zone (45-60cm) and 12207V is 60% signal now and 11023H is higher with 68% (damp conditions). That's really weird. (as a reference: I still can get a stable picture with 5% signal).

 

[davidcmadrid]

Guys from crete etc know what recception levels are in each instance.

Lets talk reality and not theory as this is getting us nowhere sloooooooooow O-zzz

I have no skin in the game, i am not doubting or altering the reports ... I simply asked two seperate questions , i didnt thoerize, invent the signal reports or anything along those lines I merely commented. The questions are summarized below for your convencience.

1. Appx 80km south from the official edge of the beam your suggesting , officially mapped to work on a 1.2m dish would you not expect to have stable reception on a good 1.1m dish.

2. Appx 120km South from the official edge of the beam , officially mapped to work on a 1.2m dish would you not expect to have " some form of " reception on a 1.8m dish.



This 2 reports come from one of the " decider " areas so to speak so warrant discussion i thought.

 

[Analoguesat]

I have no skin in the game, I asked two questions , i didnt thoerize or anything merely commented.

1. Appx 80km south from the official edge of the beam your suggesting , officially mapped to work on a 1.2m dish would you not expect to have stable reception on a good 1.1m dish.

2. Appx 120km South from the official edge of the beam , officially mapped to work on a 1.2m dish would you not expect to have " some form of " reception on a 1.8m dish.

This 2 reports come from one of the " decider " areas so to speak so warrant discussion i thought.

Probably not nowadays with the observed drop off at the edge of the 2F uk beam.....

We have already seen the drop off in Iberia is phenomenally steep.

 

[davidcmadrid]

And that dropoff is appx ,1000km from the official edge.. not 120. Paphos is 1000km from the official edge of the 2F UK beam.. ok ,,, hat , coat .. door

 

[Analoguesat]

Even over a few hundred km the Iberia drop off is very steep

 

[tothbros]

Probably not nowadays with the observed drop off at the edge of the 2F uk beam.....

We have already seen the drop off in Iberia is phenomenally steep.

tell me about it...in hungary, on any dish under 3 m 2f uk beam is DOA , while a bit up north in slovakia, even a 2,4m gives good reception, equally just south of us in croatia...makes no sense.

 

[strs65]

01:18 05:21 10:21 14:17 20:29 21:42
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11720,H,29500 9,6 11 9,8 9,9 9,5 9,9
11739,V,29500 10,1 10,6 10 9,2 9,2 9,5
11798,H,29500 9,8 10,4 9,6 9,3 9,4 9,3
11817,V,27500 9,4 10,4 10 9,6 9,7 9,7
11876,H,27500 10,5 11,6 10,9 10,5 10,7 10,8
11895,V,27499 10,6 11,4 10,9 10,3 10,6 10,6
11973,V,27500 10,1 10,6 10,2 9,4 9,8 9,8
12032,H,27500 10,2 11,2 10,4 9,8 10,1 10
12051,V,27500 8,6 9,8 9,5 8,8 8,6 9,2
12071,H,27500 4,7 5,9 5,9 5 5,3 4,8
12090,V,29500 5 6,2 6 4,9 5,3 4,4
12110,H,27500 4,9 6 6,2 5,2 5,4 5
12149,H,27500 4,4 5,7 5,3 4,6 4,8 4,4
12168,V,29500 5,3 6,2 6 5,2 5,4 4,6
12188,H,29500 4,5 5,8 5,8 5 6,1 4,9
12207,V,27500 4,1 5,2 5 4,3 4,5 4,2
12227,H,29500 4,7 6 5,8 4,9 5 4,9
12246,V,29500 4,6 5,6 5,7 4,8 5,2 4,5
12266,H,29500 4,9 5,8 5,3 4,7 5,4 4
12285,V,27500 10,4 11,5 10,9 10,4 10,6 10,4
12305,H,29500 5,2 6,1 5,9 5,2 5,6 3,7
12324,V,29500 5,5 6,3 6,6 5,6 5,8 5,1
12344,H,29500 10,2 11,5 10,9 10,1 9,8 9,7
12363,V,29500 5 5,5 5,7 4,7 4,9 4,4
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<p>This a series of blind scans today, from 01:00 up to 22:00. Frequencies from 11700 and above. You may spot the fluctuation of the SNR during the day in almost all frequencies. All values in dB.

 

[paul gouves]

01:18 05:21 10:21 14:17 20:29 21:42
-------------------------------------------------------------
11720,H,29500 9,6 11 9,8 9,9 9,5 9,9
11739,V,29500 10,1 10,6 10 9,2 9,2 9,5
11798,H,29500 9,8 10,4 9,6 9,3 9,4 9,3
11817,V,27500 9,4 10,4 10 9,6 9,7 9,7
11876,H,27500 10,5 11,6 10,9 10,5 10,7 10,8
11895,V,27499 10,6 11,4 10,9 10,3 10,6 10,6
11973,V,27500 10,1 10,6 10,2 9,4 9,8 9,8
12032,H,27500 10,2 11,2 10,4 9,8 10,1 10
12051,V,27500 8,6 9,8 9,5 8,8 8,6 9,2
12071,H,27500 4,7 5,9 5,9 5 5,3 4,8
12090,V,29500 5 6,2 6 4,9 5,3 4,4
12110,H,27500 4,9 6 6,2 5,2 5,4 5
12149,H,27500 4,4 5,7 5,3 4,6 4,8 4,4
12168,V,29500 5,3 6,2 6 5,2 5,4 4,6
12188,H,29500 4,5 5,8 5,8 5 6,1 4,9
12207,V,27500 4,1 5,2 5 4,3 4,5 4,2
12227,H,29500 4,7 6 5,8 4,9 5 4,9
12246,V,29500 4,6 5,6 5,7 4,8 5,2 4,5
12266,H,29500 4,9 5,8 5,3 4,7 5,4 4
12285,V,27500 10,4 11,5 10,9 10,4 10,6 10,4
12305,H,29500 5,2 6,1 5,9 5,2 5,6 3,7
12324,V,29500 5,5 6,3 6,6 5,6 5,8 5,1
12344,H,29500 10,2 11,5 10,9 10,1 9,8 9,7
12363,V,29500 5 5,5 5,7 4,7 4,9 4,4
</pre>

<p>This a series of blind scans today, from 01:00 up to 22:00. Frequencies from 11700 and above. You may spot the fluctuation of the SNR during the day in almost all frequencies. All values in dB.

we're talking about 160km I'll have to do some more tweaking or get a new lnb.

 

[AHMET_YILDIRIM]

Like I said in an earlier post I believe that's 1N PE2 because that beam officially only covers the northern ad north-eastern part of Greece. 1N PE1 covers Atnhens and Peleponnese as well but doesn't cover the far North-east (Thrace). Both beams don't cover Crete.

It cant be on 1N PE2 beam. On the map the 1N PE2 beam cover Istanbul but I am not get the signal with 170 cm dish.

 

[Schroeder]

I just contacted Lyngsat and got an interesting response:

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They have unfortunately put wrong info at their Facebook site. I got a mail
about this two days ago, so I checked an extra time with SES. SES still says
they have switched to Astra 1N, not Astra 2F. Notice also that some of the
transponders they have switched to Astra 1N are impossible to use on Astra 2F. <<< interesting comment


Right, the info at onastra.co.uk is from LyngSat, and the info from LyngSat
regarding what satellite each transponder is on is coming directly from SES.
That’s why the info at LyngSat and onastra.co.uk is correct and identical.


They have switched transponders from Astra 2B to three different beams:
· Astra 1N: Pan Europe 1
· Astra 2A: Northern Europe
· Astra 2A: Southern Europe

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Therefore use Lyngsat as the definitive list of transponders/satellites. The information on onastra.co.uk is also correct although does not identify the actual beams only the satellite.

Info is from Christian Lyngemark at Lyngsat.

 

[skomedal]

It cant be on 1N PE2 beam. On the map the 1N PE2 beam cover Istanbul but I am not get the signal with 170 cm dish.

If you mean the 11009v and 11186v ( think ) these are not available with normal equipment.

 

[Analoguesat]

I just contacted Lyngsat and got an interesting response:

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They have unfortunately put wrong info at their Facebook site. I got a mail
about this two days ago, so I checked an extra time with SES. SES still says
they have switched to Astra 1N, not Astra 2F. Notice also that some of the
transponders they have switched to Astra 1N are impossible to use on Astra 2F. <<< interesting comment


Right, the info at onastra.co.uk is from LyngSat, and the info from LyngSat
regarding what satellite each transponder is on is coming directly from SES.
That’s why the info at LyngSat and onastra.co.uk is correct and identical.


They have switched transponders from Astra 2B to three different beams:
· Astra 1N: Pan Europe 1
· Astra 2A: Northern Europe
· Astra 2A: Southern Europe

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Therefore use Lyngsat as the definitive list of transponders/satellites. The information on onastra.co.uk is also correct although does not identify the actual beams only the satellite.

Info is from Christian Lyngemark at Lyngsat.

Oh heck!