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I have a 110 cm dish, and I already receive badr 26 satellite on it. I would like to instal a 25.5 ° E Eutelsat 25B Es'hail satellite on the same dish, because I thinking abut the degree is very close between 26 and 25.5.


Dos anyone knows something about it?
 

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Are you looking for some particular TV channel from Eutelsat 25B @25,5*E or it is just generally?
It is impossible to install another LNB on your antenna for receiving satellite wit only 0,5* separation. But even if you could do that, I doubt you would be able to lock some signals from 25,5*E.
Motorize your antenna and you will be able to get signals from all visible and receivable on 110cm antenna at your area.
 

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Hello everyone

I have a 110 cm dish, and I already receive badr 26 satellite on it. I would like to instal a 25.5 ° E Eutelsat 25B Es'hail satellite on the same dish, because I thinking abut the degree is very close between 26 and 25.5.


Dos anyone knows something about it?
Just choose a new sat in your box and make a blindscan (if your box has that option)
And see what channels from 25.5 are comming in .
No need for a second lnb .
You can also turn the dish a little to 25.5 and check howmuch the signal at badr drops .
 

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Just tried a view TP's at 25.5 E with my 120 cm Fibo , no signal here in the Netherlands .
Norway means No Way for that bird.
 

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These positions across northern Europe (Denmark) have no coverage (110 cm dish).
Estas posiciones por el norte de Europa (Dinamarca) no tienen covertura (antena de 110cm).

Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat at 25'5°E. Ku-Band MENA.
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EIRP Field Intensity Antenna diameter
51 dBW...... 55 cm...Cadiz
50 dBW...... 60 cm..Islas Baleares
49 dBW...... 60 cm..Fuerteventura
48 dBW...... 60 cm..Madrid.
46 dBW...... 80 cm..Las Palmas-Salamanca-Barcelona.
44 dBW ......90 cm..Ourense-Cantabria.
42 dBW ....110 cm..A Coruña-Asturias.


En Ku-Band East no tiene nada activo de momento/In Ku-Band East has nothing active time.
Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat at 25'5°E, Ku-Band East.
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EIRP Field Intensity Antenna diameter
50 dBW 60 cm
49 dBW 60 cm
48 dBW 60 cm
47 dBW 75 cm
46 dBW 80 cm
45 dBW 90 cm
44 dBW 90 cm
43 dBW 100 cm
42 dBW 110 cm
41 dBW 120 cm
40 dBW 120 cm


Para Leer/To read.
https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/threads/bein-sports-hd-eutelsat-25b-eshail-1-25-5°-east.161992/
https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums...a-hd-eutelsat-25b-eshail-1-25-5°-east.160360/

PS: Buena pesca/Good fishing.
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Hello gays
I actuality was looking for the BeIN sports channels, her in Denmark. So its almost impossible to fish Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat at 25'5°E with my antenne 11 cm. But the question is, if I can get them in Nielsat 7 degree.

Can you help Please.
 

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Do Not ==> No.


The satellite Nilesatxx 7°West is much more difficult than the Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat at 25.5°East, its footprint is more like the Bard6.

This is the mark by which emits BeIN sports channels.
Nilesat-201-EIRP-coverage.jpg


To Madrid (Spain), these are the levels and disk size needed.
Signal Level ................ bad weather.
EIRP (dBW) 49 .....55-65cm.
EIRP (dBW) 48 .....60-75cm.
EIRP (dBW) 47 .....65-85cm.
EIRP (dBW) 46 .....75-95cm.
EIRP (dBW) 45 .....85-105cm.
EIRP (dBW) 44 .....95-120cm.
EIRP (dBW) 43 .105-135cm.

As you can see, much worse, just to the south of Spain.
He had his answer ready from the other day, but not delete hook you up.
PS: As you will see, or are you on the map.
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El satelite Nilesat XX a 7º Oeste es mucho mas dificil que el Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat al 25'5 ° Este.

Esta es la huella por donde emite BeIN sports channels.
Nilesat-201-EIRP-coverage.jpg


Para Madrid (España), estos son los niveles y tamaño de disco necesario.
Nivel señal...................Con mal tiempo.
EIRP (dBW) 49 .....55-65cm.
EIRP (dBW) 48 .....60-75cm.
EIRP (dBW) 47 .....65-85cm.
EIRP (dBW) 46 .....75-95cm.
EIRP (dBW) 45 .....85-105cm.
EIRP (dBW) 44 .....95-120cm.
EIRP (dBW) 43 .105-135cm.

Como puedes ver, mucho peor, solo para el sur de España.
Tenia la respuesta preparada desde el otro dia, pero la borre para no liarte.
PD: Como veras, ni estas en el mapa.
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BeIN sports are actually on Eutelsat 7.3W, not Nilesat 201, and much easier to receive in Europe - or UK at least. A 1.2m dish would be enough for most transponders there and could probably even get away with a 1m one.

I don't know what the situation is in Denmark.
 

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The maps for Eutelsat 7 West A Middle East North African beam @ 7.3 west & Nilesat 102 Vertical beams are not accurate as we can receive these satellites in the UK with a 100cm dish,
The same goes for some of the maps for Badr-4 @ 26 east,

Maps showing possible UK reception on Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat at 25'5°E, Ku-Band East as illustrated in post #5
Also YahSat's European beam we know it is there http://www.flysat.com/yahsat1a-beam.php

But will they ever use it again after the test period expired for NGC from 52.5 the beam has never been used again,

Eutelsat25B-Es'hailSat at 25'5°E Ku-Band East beam has never been fired up the satellite was launched in 29 August 2013 if they were going to use this beam it would have been active by now.
 

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I actuality was looking for the BeIN sports channels, her in Denmark.
And do not forget that those channels are encrypted and to see channels on your screen you need subscription to those channels.
with my antenne 11 cm.
I hope you have at least 10 times bigger dish and with that should be possible to lock some frequencies from Eutelsat 7 West A, but bigger antenna (like 1,5m or 1,8m) would be better.
 

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Last week I asked that such levels beIN Sports channels this position 7ºWest, checking levels (report), I put here to compare 2014 levels in these same dates.
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La semana pasada me preguntaron que tal los niveles de los canales de BeIN Sports de esta posicion 7ºOeste, revisando niveles (informe), que pongo aqui para comparar niveles del 2014 en estas mismas fechas.
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Generally less signal feel.
The cause ?? are changes in position ...... 7ºWest released on 17.08.2000 Nilesat102 this the end of its useful / estimated life (expired/fuel) tp's going to Nilesat 201.
These last weeks, problems were reported in some tp's old, Extra problem is, other than fuel.
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En general menos señal, se siente.
La causa ?? estan de cambios en la posicion 7ºOeste......Nilesat102 lanzado el 17-8-2000 esta al final de su vida util/estimada (caducado/sin combustible) pasando tp's a Nilesat 201.
Estas ultimas semanas, se reportaron problemas en algunos tp's del viejo, algun problema extra tiene, aparte del combustible.

Some channels Nilesat 201 are now in Eutelsat7West to 7'3ºWest to make room on the satellite.
Algunos canales de Nilesat 201 están ahora en Eutelsat7West a 7'3ºOeste para hacer sitio en el satelite.
I admit reading errors as ever/Admito errores de lectura como siempre.
:-doh:-lol

Check levels with tp's / frequencies beIN Sports channels, Madrid are already low, companion Fluke years reported from Paris (France) to tune, but dropped level and since then, other channels, but they do not.
Check levels.
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Verificar niveles con los tp's/frecuencias de los canales beIN Sports, por Madrid ya estan bajos, hace años el compañero Fluke reporto desde Paris (Francia) poder sintonizarlos, pero bajaron nivel y desde entonces no, otros canales si, pero estos no.
Revisar niveles.

Today 06.03.2015 levels in DreamBox800S-HD
Niveles hoy 6-3-2015 en DreamBox800S-HD.
Code:
tp 10853 H 27500 2/3 53 99 11HD, 12HD, 13HD, 14HD............SNR 62% AGC 99% BER 0 10'0dB
tp 11449 H 27500 BeIN Sports NBA, FOX Sports.............SD..SNR 62% AGC 99% BER 0 10'0dB
tp 12245 V 27500 2/3 59 99 9HD, 10HD, 15HD, Bein Sports .HD..SNR 65% AGC 99% BER 0 10'5dB
tp 12265 H 27500 2/3 53 99 1HD, 2HD, 3HD, 4HD................SNR 62% AGC 99% BER 0 10'5dB
tp 12284 V 27500 1,2,3,4,5 NEWS SD ......................SD..SNR 78% AGC 99% BER 0 12'5dB
tp 12476 V 27500 2/3 56 99 5HD, 6HD, 7HD, 8HD................SNR 59% AGC 99% BER 5  9'5dB
tp 11641 H 27500 3/4 referencia canal FTA/libre..AdissTV.....SNR 50% AGC 99% BER59  8'0dB

References to compare other years/referencias para comparar de otros años.
tp 12226 H 27500.....AD Sport1 y AD Sport2...................SNR 78% AGC 99% BER 0 12'5dB
tp 12467 H 27500.....AD Sport1 HD y AD Sport2 HD.............SNR 53% AGC 99% BER 2  8'5dB


Today 06.03.2015 levels in VU+DUO2
Niveles hoy 6-3-2015 en VU+DUO2

Code:
tp 10853 H 27500 2/3 53 99 11HD, 12HD, 13HD, 14HD........... SNR 56% AGC 84% BER 0  9'0dB
tp 11449 H 27500 BeIN Sports NBA, FOX Sports..........SD.....SNR 62% AGC 99% BER 0 10'0dB
tp 12245 V 27500 2/3 59 99 9HD, 10HD, 15HD, Bein Sports .HD..SNR 60% AGC 74% BER 0  9'6dB
tp 12265 H 27500 2/3 53 99 1HD, 2HD, 3HD, 4HD................SNR 57% AGC 74% BER 0  9'2dB
tp 12284 V 27500 1,2,3,4,5 NEWS SD .................SD.......SNR 70% AGC 74% BER 0 11'3dB
tp 12476 V 27500 2/3 56 99 5HD, 6HD, 7HD, 8HD................SNR 52% AGC 69% BER 0  8'4dB
tp 11641 H 27500 3/4 referencia canal FTA/libre..AdissTV.....SNR 54% AGC 74% BER 0  8'7dB

References to compare other years/referencias para comparar de otros años.
tp 12226 H 27500.....AD Sport1 y AD Sport2...................SNR 69% AGC 74% BER 0 11'1dB
tp 12467 H 27500.....AD Sport1 HD y AD Sport2 HD.............SNR 55% AGC 69% BER 0  9'0dB
tp 11938 V 27500.....AD AL Oula..............................SNR 73% AGC 79% BER 0 11'8dB


Very critical in the morning, afternoon OK./Muy critico por las mañanas, por la tarde OK.
tp 12467 H 27500.....AD Sport1 HD y AD Sport2 HD.


tp 10853 H 27500
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tp 12245 V 27500
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tp 12265 H 27500
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tp 12284 V 27500
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tp 12476 V 27500
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tp 12467 H 27500
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Why are these satellites so close together? (but not close enough to be receivable from the same dish) Isn't a couple of degrees of spacing the standard?
 

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Why are these satellites so close together? (but not close enough to be receivable from the same dish) Isn't a couple of degrees of spacing the standard?

Here in UAE I get both Badr @26E and Esohil at 25.5E with the same dish/LNB.
The 0.5 degree does not make any diffrence and both satellites look as if they are at the same location.
I think that this intentional, in the same manner as Nilesat at 7W and Eutelsat at 8W.

The problem with receiving the satellite at 25.5 in Europe is one of footprint coverage.​
 

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Exactly. Effectively co-located as far as the intended audience is concerned.

Problematic for the rest of us, though.

Similar issue to the traditional 28.2/28.5 relative positioning for Astra 2 and Eutelsat birds for UK audiences, whereby in some fringe areas compromise solutions to reception were required. Now it seems all the craft there are bunching towards 28.3E.
 

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The 0.5 degree does not make any diffrence and both satellites look as if they are at the same location.

Only with usual (small) dishes.
 

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Only with usual (small) dishes.

So in fringe areas you need a bigger dish, which is focused on a narrower degree range?

A full degree at 7W and 8W must be approaching the limit of what is receivable on a single dish?
 

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Yep. Small dishes have a relatively wide acceptance angle but, as dish size increases, although gain increases, the beamwidth gets narrower and narrower so alignment needs greater precision.
 

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A full degree at 7W and 8W must be approaching the limit of what is receivable on a single dish?

Except Eutelsat 7 is actually at 7.3W, so the difference is 0.7 deg.
 

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in the north of netherlands (frisian) i recieve from 25,5 east (120cm)
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11547 v
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best time is evenings en nights

total 36 tv and 1 radio
 

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@DeadHorse800

As Tivú said in marginal to need a bigger dish areas, it is also more accurately we need to point to the satellite, a difference of 0.2 degrees note, you can have + 5% extra signal.
You are in Valencia.
25'5ºE ==> 60cm
Eutelsat 7 ==> 90cm
7ºW ==> 100cm
From Madrid fair, from Valencia a little better.

With a 100cm antenna and LNB not good you would have to have problems, lost cable as always (28dB / 100m) low.
7'3W 12226H27500.DVB-S ... ok
7'3W 12467H27500.DVB-S2 ... very limited

When in doubt, 120cm minimum.

The difference between 7'3 and 8, as the partner is very large, for a fixed antenna is a problem for an engine, no problem, you would have one satellite to another group 8ºW and 7'3ºW.
Unfortunately you are in marginal zone (Valencia), from satellites that changed last year, some tp's are very fair signal for Madrid.
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Como comenta Tivú, en las zonas marginales al necesitar un plato mas grande, es necesitamos tambien mas precision al apuntar al satelite, una diferencia de 0'2 grados se nota, puedes tener +5% extra de señal.
Estas en Valencia.
25'5ºE ==> 60cm
Eutelsat 7 ==> 90cm
7ºW ==> 100cm
Desde Madrid justo, desde Valencia un poco mejor.

Con una antena de 100cm y un buen LNB no tendrias que tener problemas, cable de bajas perdidas como siempre (28dB/100metros).

7'3W 12226H27500.DVB-S...ok
7'3W 12467H27500.DVB-S2...muy limite

Ante la duda, 120cm minimo.

La diferencia entre 7'3 y 8, como indica el compañero es muy grande, para una antena fija es un problema, para un motor, no hay problema, tendrias un satelite a 8ºW y otro grupo a 7'3ºW
Por desgracia estas en zona marginal (Valencia), desde que cambiaron satelites el año pasado, algunos tp's van muy justos de señal por Madrid.
 
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