After much trying I managed to get a signal from badr4 there is quite a variation in signal levels Lebanese channels are by far the strongest whereas the Palestinian channels are borderline. Took a while to get a lock , the meters I have no longer give a audible beep when you get near badr so had to try input a frequency and fine tune on a monitor but got there in the end , appreciate all the help(I wondered if a better lnb may improve the palestian channels as they max at 30%quality whereas the Lebanese stuff are 70%) I'm using a technomate twin 0.1db