Best Ku LNB for Fringe Reception

Moradabad

SAT SPECIALIST INDIA
My Satellite Setup
One 12 Feet Heavy Antenna, one 10 Feet Double Rib Antenna

Dreambox Dm500S, DM 7025. HD Receiver,Envision,
Eurostar receiver, 4 Dual LNBS, 5 PFA Lnbs
My Location
india
hi,

please post your experience about best rated ku lnb for Fringe Reception.

some says Premium, some says Invocom some says inverto some says Lemon and some says MTi and other GT-sat.

I have tested many but according to me GT performed well.


Members please post your feedback's about LNB used and whihch one is best according you you specially for
Fringe Reception.

because for
Fringe Reception, each db counts.

:-worship
 
So, why do you rate GT , and why do you think 'every dB counts' ?

What test equipment are you using on site to back up your claim ?

Where does GT have a manufacturing base?
 
Hello, i have just installed a inverto silver tech lnb and it has improved my reception ten fold. I did have a lemon lnb, and for many hours during the day i coud not receive sky sports 1,2 and 3, also i was missing sky 1,2,3 sky news and national geographic, the bbc news interactive would also only work sometimes, and with the F1 on bbc and some fa cup games it was not looking good. But now it does not matter what time of day or weather conditions the picture is great.
 
Channel Hopper said:
So, why do you rate GT , and why do you think 'every dB counts' ?

What test equipment are you using on site to back up your claim ?

Where does GT have a manufacturing base?

Channel Hopper 1st I am not a Manufacturer or dealer or supplier of any of the above Lnb's.

I only rated beased on the results, as mentioned by dan1974 that some lnb's shows either no signal or weak signals for transponders which are in High band (12000) so GT was able to receive all the low & high band and the signal difference was around 5 db's.

Even I tested the LNB's at the time of Rain, where my other lnb's showed freezing GT performed well and was able to show me picture.

I think a comman man can only test this way.

Above all I performed the test on HOTBIRD, Eurobird 9A and Nilesat thses sats are FAR from US and there is not footprint for the above sats.

:-worship
 
You are giving an opinion based (quite rightly) on results you have achieved, but only on one system.
The variables of dish size, dish quality, cable length/quality, connector integrity, sensitivity of receiver tuner and even the receiver chipset can have different effects on one particular frequency, or a band of frquencies.

One thing that has the most impact on systems here is the LNB compatibility with the dish, either feed design, or the illumination of the feed owing to a mismatch.

Can you post a picture of your dish and pictures of the three LNBs you have tested ?
 
Channel Hopper said:
You are giving an opinion based (quite rightly) on results you have achieved, but only on one system.
The variables of dish size, dish quality, cable length/quality, connector integrity, sensitivity of receiver tuner and even the receiver chipset can have different effects on one particular frequency, or a band of frquencies.

One thing that has the most impact on systems here is the LNB compatibility with the dish, either feed design, or the illumination of the feed owing to a mismatch.

Can you post a picture of your dish and pictures of the three LNBs you have tested ?

Channel hopper you are correct LNB feed may vary from ant to ant, & there are many other factors which come into picture.

Other Equipment which I used were
1) Clone Dreambox
2) Satellite Meter
3) a Chinese blind scan receiver.

The dishes were 2 types 1st is Mesh 12 feet dish (C band) other one is 10 feet solid dish for ku.

:-worship
 
Well forget the C band dish immediately, the mesh will not be a good basis for a benchmark test.

You should find a 10' solid performs better anyway, if it is dent/distortion free.

Is it a matched feed to the dish, and if so, is it peaked for maximum illumination, or minimum background noise ?
 
Channel Hopper said:
Is it a matched feed to the dish, and if so, is it peaked for maximum illumination, or minimum background noise ?

Hello CH,

Thank you for writing insightful posts and illuminating us.
I've got a few questions. Let's say I've got a perfectly made prime focus dish with f/D = 0.40, matched with a custom-made appropriate feed, rated at exactly f/D= 0.40, so would there be a need for any PEAKING, either for illumination or noise? Is there a rule of thumb, saying, for example, that if you have your dish in the garden you go for maximum illumination and if it's on the roof, then minimum background noise? And how do I know there is too much background noise?
Secondly, how do I position the feed for minimum background noise - does the feed have to be moved towards the face of the dish by half a millimetre for that ???
 
divibi said:
Hello CH,

Thank you for writing insightful posts and illuminating us.
I've got a few questions. Let's say I've got a perfectly made prime focus dish with f/D = 0.40, matched with a custom-made appropriate feed, rated at exactly f/D= 0.40, so would there be a need for any PEAKING, either for illumination or noise? Is there a rule of thumb, saying, for example, that if you have your dish in the garden you go for maximum illumination and if it's on the roof, then minimum background noise? And how do I know there is too much background noise?
Secondly, how do I position the feed for minimum background noise - does the feed have to be moved towards the face of the dish by half a millimetre for that ???

Peaking of a single piece prime focus dish (even with perfectly matched feedhorn) is required to get the best out of it. All decent manufacturers will have a specification that is optimised using fine tweaking of the reflector and feed .

A visual look of the reflector for dents, and a straight rim can often bring up signs of damage , that even the best feed cannot compensate for.

The most common method is the use of a boresight tool to get the feed exactly at the centre of the reflector, however this needs to be carried out in conjuction with centralising of the feed, which may require lengthening or shortening one or more of the feed arms. Stringing is used to ensure the dish surface is at its minimum distortion.

Next would be the shakedown of any petalised dish, usually by slackening off all bolts whilst the dish is facing skywards, and retightening evenly all round.

Lastly (and this usually only occurs on very large dishes) is a counterbalance behind the mount, securely attached to the backplate that compensates for the changes in elevation and axial rotation, where the weight of the dish can distort the reflector.

On metal dishes, there is also a possibility of the changes in temperature of the reflector between day and night will throw out the beam at one of the extremes, and to reduce this the dish should be assembled and tightened up half way between the hottest and coldest points. Use of cooling or heating panels can also be used to reduce the extremes.

In all assembly the best possible method for optimising would be with a spectrum analyser, taking careful notes between each adjustment.

All the above comes before working on the best illumination for the particular location and position of the dish on the property. Background noise can occur as a result of using the wrong type of dish, ground noise, airborne interference, or even proximity to some other electronic equipment. In all cases the spectrum analyser can be used to find out the best solution, in the worst case I have had to dig a trench to put the dish in and install a microwave filter fence to stop interference from an unknown source of noise on the horizon. On some occasions a change of LNB with a different local oscillator has been required to prevent one particular frequency from swamping the required signals once downconverted to the IF tuner frequencies.
 
Channel Hopper said:
Peaking of a single piece prime focus dish (even with perfectly matched feedhorn) is required to get the best out of it. All decent manufacturers will have a specification that is optimised using fine tweaking of the reflector and feed .

A visual look of the reflector for dents, and a straight rim can often bring up signs of damage , that even the best feed cannot compensate for.

The most common method is the use of a boresight tool to get the feed exactly at the centre of the reflector, however this needs to be carried out in conjuction with centralising of the feed, which may require lengthening or shortening one or more of the feed arms. Stringing is used to ensure the dish surface is at its minimum distortion.

Next would be the shakedown of any petalised dish, usually by slackening off all bolts whilst the dish is facing skywards, and retightening evenly all round.

Lastly (and this usually only occurs on very large dishes) is a counterbalance behind the mount, securely attached to the backplate that compensates for the changes in elevation and axial rotation, where the weight of the dish can distort the reflector.

On metal dishes, there is also a possibility of the changes in temperature of the reflector between day and night will throw out the beam at one of the extremes, and to reduce this the dish should be assembled and tightened up half way between the hottest and coldest points. Use of cooling or heating panels can also be used to reduce the extremes.

In all assembly the best possible method for optimising would be with a spectrum analyser, taking careful notes between each adjustment.

All the above comes before working on the best illumination for the particular location and position of the dish on the property. Background noise can occur as a result of using the wrong type of dish, ground noise, airborne interference, or even proximity to some other electronic equipment. In all cases the spectrum analyser can be used to find out the best solution, in the worst case I have had to dig a trench to put the dish in and install a microwave filter fence to stop interference from an unknown source of noise on the horizon. On some occasions a change of LNB with a different local oscillator has been required to prevent one particular frequency from swamping the required signals once downconverted to the IF tuner frequencies.


Channel Hopper Spectrum analyser of Meters like Trimax are good for this or not.
 
I don't know of the Trimax analyser, but if small variations in dish alignment bring up different levels on the display, and a stable signal is received with no movement, then yes, it can be used.
 
Lads quick question, how can maximise my snr on 36east, for example getting 72% on 12245h and only getting 43% on 11747v 27500, I have a channel master 1.8 and invacom feedhorn taken off a broadband channel master 1m dish
 
Djskutz said:
Lads quick question, how can maximise my snr on 36east, for example getting 72% on 12245h and only getting 43% on 11747v 27500, I have a channel master 1.8 and invacom feedhorn taken off a broadband channel master 1m dish

That channel master feedhorn is perfect, but that invacom lnb attached would'nt be too great over 25 meteres,
I think its more than a 25m run from your dish to your box.
Also use ct 100 and avoid splits in the cable to get best snr for 36e.
 
Cheers john but I was getting them results outside at the dish, how can a tp on the same beam have a difference in 30% snr
 
Djskutz said:
how can a tp on the same beam have a difference in 30% snr

Different transponders and different polarities vary wildly. It depends on the strength of uplink signal as well. Different transponders can be uplinked from different locations with different equipment. It all counts...
 
Djskutz said:
Cheers john but I was getting them results outside at the dish, how can a tp on the same beam have a difference in 30% snr


Same with all sats really, you have stronger and weaker transponders.
Your only option is a bigger dish, you will have to go for the 2.4 now.
 
Ive tried a c120 feedhorn connected to a inverto pro flange lnb an invacom lnb with a c120 feedhorn and lastly an inverto black ultra the black ultra out performed everything else on my 1.8 channel master
 
Djskutz said:
Cheers john but I was getting them results outside at the dish, how can a tp on the same beam have a difference in 30% snr

Horizontal and vertical polarity from the same beam may have different levels but if they are on the same polarity there is a tiny chance that the LNB has a small variation in noise figure at the frequency you are trying to receive, but you can verify this is not the case by a change to another LNB.
 
Vertical area defo harder to get on this beam, 2.4m is the only forward, might never happen, il single if I ever get one
 
jcm193 said:
Ive tried a c120 feedhorn connected to a inverto pro flange lnb an invacom lnb with a c120 feedhorn and lastly an inverto black ultra the black ultra out performed everything else on my 1.8 channel master


Which Inverto pro Flange did you try as there is 3 different types in the Inverto C120 range
 
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