Choosing a dish for 4 lnbs

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Hello all,

done lots of reading but have a headache now, and want to start building my new set up, so time for my 1st post.

I'm looking to get FTA/FTV stuff for UK, Germany, France & Netherlands. After a lot of reading I decided on a 4LNB setup pointing at:
28.2E, 23.5E, 19.2E and 13E.

So 1st question is will the above sats give me a good spread of channels for the languages/territories I'm looking at? This seemed to be the best compromise I could figure from what I have read. Prefer to avoid motorised so I can run twin tuner without issues.

2nd question, (assuming the 1st answer is yes), is there an equivalent of the Raven Gemini 'oval' dish I keep finding referenced? I figure oval makes sense when setup is 4 LNBs wide. Location is near York, I have found some saying a 65/70CM dish will do it, others say it needs to be 80CM +. I'm trying to keep the dish as discreet as possible to keep the boss sweet, don't think she'll allow an 80CM on the wall.

Thanks in advance,
 
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Hi M&M ! Welcome to Forum. Enjoy your time.
Q1: OK for the begging.
Q2: Why do not you look for multi-focus antenna, something like this ScreenHunter_848 Feb. 19 16.41.jpg
 
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Hello,

ta for the quick reply & the welcome. That's exactly what I'm looking for, I guess I need to keep searching and reading. I did find a "Maximum T85 / E85" since I posted, I'm guessing thats the same dish as you have linked. Any input on how small a dish I will get away with to cover 28E thru 13E near York?
 
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I used a Triax TD88 with 6LNBs for a whileIMAG0297.jpg L-R 28.2, 23.5, 19.2,16,13 & 4.8e (sorry for the double post)
 
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I used a Raven 88cm for this set up 28E + 19.2E + 13E + 4.8 E.
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The Big Bisat is a nice dish, if somewhat expensive, but a TD88 with the multiple LNB East and West offset bracket will do the trick.:)
 
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Thanks all, all info appreciated.

Excollier, if you could get 28.2E thru 4.8E on a TD88 I'm wondering if I'll get away with a slightly smaller dish for 28 > 13.

Rolfw, like the Bisat, I'm pondering if I would get 28 thru 13 on the G2 bigsat with the appropriate LNB bracket. Think I'll get a kicking off the boss if I try putting an 88CM unit on the wall!
 
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Same 88cm dish motorised now,
All satellites received 53 east to 34.5 west.
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You'll struggle to get all four with much smaller than 85cm, the other Bisat dish requires special brackets and I see they do one for the four sats you suggest, they are a very high quality unit, here's the Technisat solution.

SKYTENNE

They also do a 45cm version, but it would be too small for the UK.

MULTYTENNE QUATTROSAT
 
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Thanks all for your input, I’m forced to have a rethink now. Suspect I’ll either drop 13E and then should get away with the 75cm wide bisat with 3 lnbs, or reconsider going motorised with something like a TD64. Would I miss much on 13E?

Any more opinions or advice please jump in, there’s so much to know about these things and only so much I can absorb searching and reading.

Thanks again for the suggestions all.
 
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I'm looking to get FTA/FTV stuff for UK, Germany, France & Netherlands. After a lot of reading I decided on a 4LNB setup pointing at:
28.2E, 23.5E, 19.2E and 13E.
Not much FTA in dutch, TVDrenthe on 23E and BVN on 13E; also very few on 9E.
Also french FTA is not much on 13E and 19E I believe; maybe not even two handsfull? But I don't follow that.
Were you aware of that?

But of course plenty of FTA british and german programs to enjoy! :)

A problem with the smaller antennas is that multifeed LNBs can get in each others way: not enough distance between them. And narrower LNBs are much more rain-sensitive than 'normal' LNBs. So check carefully if what you want can be done with the equipment you choose!

greetz,
A33
 
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Octagon SX88+ (A/B switch), Octagon SX88

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You will need 5 west for FTA Multi-Stream French & Italian TV.
 
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Hi A33,

Top info many thanks for that, that makes a difference. I knew I’d need narrow lnbs in the mix, so a valid point as well on rain sensitivity. Deffo want plenty of Dutch and french, looks like I do need to go motorised really.

Would a motor and a 65cm dish do me proud? I’ve noted people still tend to have a bigger dish even with a motor?
 
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Thanks William, same result really, am accepting a multi lnb setup just wont cut it.
 
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Decided to get a motor in the end, so a weekend of fun ahead of me. I thought it would be wise to keep the current dish (zone 2 sky dish) and see exactly what I can get with that on the motor, I may find I don’t need to upgrade beyond that. Thanks all for your input everyone.
 
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It be cheaper just get a 60cm dish and quiet dark motor.
With multi lnb you end up always wanting more satellites.
 
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Thanks again A33,

Mike, yep I always feared I’d get drawn in but hoped multi lnb would keep me happy for a while.

DArk motor and a technomate box has arrived, I need more bracketry to do the motor, but for now I’m busy getting my head round the technomate box. No doubt I’ll start another thread soon when I hit a wall.

Thanks again everybody, MonkeyMan
 
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As Rolfw suggested the Cahor's Big Bisat dish is perfect for multi satellite reception and satellites 4 degrees apart are possible without having to use a 23mm adapter and slim LNB. Talking about £175 on eBay but you will have to import from Germany. They are not metal dishes so they don't rust and have a 10 year warranty. I used to have one but I never installed it and regretted selling it. Thinking about buying another one now. Just hasn't figured out whether to go for wideband or quarto LNBs yet.
 
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