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DISH SETUP: Single sat, Multi-Sat & Motorised
Comparison of 2.4m dishes
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<blockquote data-quote="deepbluesky" data-source="post: 98976" data-attributes="member: 176074"><p>Likvid i really appreciate the time you are spending to explain everything in a such detailed way. Not many professionals do this. The other thing is that more one learns the more questions come up <img src="https://www.satellites.co.uk/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Indeed the mass of small dishes has made it difficult to get installed a big <u>nice</u> dish since the majority thinks that they are just a hobby of the rich. I do not agree in any way since me personally i am not and would buy instead not an expensive car but a nice performing sat-system.</p><p></p><p>Let me return to the DH dishes. You mentioned that it depends on the suitable mount if it's possible to go down to elevations of 1-2°. </p><p></p><p>The Gibralter IV seems really to be the "Ferrari" since 0-90° Elevation and 200° Azimuth is guaranteed. It also looks like that the Az+El motors are included as i can see here: <a href="http://www.dhsatellite.com/gibralt%20dual%20p.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dhsatellite.com/gibralt dual p.htm</a></p><p>I don't dare to ask how much that costs but it looks great <img src="https://www.satellites.co.uk/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> Also i am asking myself how an Echostar 3000/3600/7000 will be connected to it because of the 2 independent running motors (wrong ?). Can this system be compared with an EGIS that can also handle Autotracking of inclined birds ?</p><p></p><p>But the H2H here <a href="http://www.dhsatellite.com/horizon.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dhsatellite.com/horizon.htm</a> also looks sufficient in many cases. Is here also the motor included and how much does it cost roughly ?</p><p></p><p>Now let me return to the Seavey feed. As far as i know you need 2 LNBFs, one for the KU, another for the C-Band. Usually for circular polarised signals you have to fit a dielectrical plate in the feed and get it out when you want to receive linear signals otherwise if you don't use it at all you'll lose about 3dB right ?</p><p>Well this is why i'm regarding the czech Uniband LNBF as very interesting since you don't have to do this anymore but i really don't know if it does perform as well as a Seavey with very good LNBFs for both bands.</p><p></p><p>Now let me return to the Seavey feed. As far as i know you need 2 LNBFs, one for the KU, another for the C-Band. Usually for circular polarised signals you have to fit a dielectrical plate in the feed and get it out when you want to receive linear signals otherwise if you don't use it at all you'll lose about 3dB right ?</p><p>Well this is why i regard the czech Uniband LNBF as very interesting since you don't have to do this anymore but i really don't know if it does perform as well as a Seavey with very good LNBFs for both bands. It would be a pity to lose so many C-Band circular frequencies.</p><p></p><p>Would you please tell me which LNBFs in each band you would favorize Likvid ? I mean also the non highend but the class below, tell them very good ones. I hear a lot about Invacom, California Amplifier, SMW, Norsat just to mention a few.</p><p></p><p>How do you switch between the C and KU-LNBF then since one coax cable is coming to the receiver ? </p><p></p><p>I also really wonder if one fits only a KU-LNBF to the feed of the dish how much more gain to you get instead of running Seavy and both LNBFs ? What i am trying to say is a 2.40m would it perform as a 2m in KU or less ? Suppose that's why you don't recommend starting with C-Band below 3m. But many new generations of satellites risen their power and thus in my simple opinion you can still get a great choice of both bands.</p><p></p><p>Well coming to the end this time let me ask you also this Likvid:</p><p>Many people use different receivers. For the moment i have got an Echostar LT8700, an Echostar 3000, a Nokia dbox1 with NDT1006A Tuner and DVB 2000 1.84.7, a Skystar 2 rev 2.3 and an analogue PCI card Technisat DISCOS for the german radio stations on the dying ADR-System in MPEG 1 Layer 2. I am awaiting the Dreambox 7025 so finally i think this collection will cover most of my needs.</p><p>Say i would use the Echostar 3000 as the master receiver. Dependent on if i would tune into a weak analogue or digital signal, a data stream i would like to connect additionally one of the rest of receivers i got. Since the 3000 has an IF out for the analogue tuner i could use this for connecting one of the other devices. The problem is that the loss would be too high in signals on the lock limit and thus useless. This is why i would tend to install a KU Quad-LNBF like the Invacoms that not really are that bad as far as i read here around. But then i am asking myself what about the C-Band ? So is it possible to get at the same time C+KU Band on 4 Receivers or should i forget this quickly and better handle it like this: </p><p>Use Single output LNBFs, turn the dish with the Echostar 3000 to the position that is wished, disconnect it from current and put the coax cable in the other wished receiver ? If Quick-F-connectors would be used this can be done without a tremendous effort but maybe there is a better solution for this.</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah, lots of text again and poor Likvid will be shocked, hope not eh ?</p><p>Best regards to the whole sat-community worldwide from sunny Stuttgart.</p><p></p><p><strong>And never forget: The bigger the dish the more open is your window to the world.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deepbluesky, post: 98976, member: 176074"] Likvid i really appreciate the time you are spending to explain everything in a such detailed way. Not many professionals do this. The other thing is that more one learns the more questions come up :) Indeed the mass of small dishes has made it difficult to get installed a big [U]nice[/U] dish since the majority thinks that they are just a hobby of the rich. I do not agree in any way since me personally i am not and would buy instead not an expensive car but a nice performing sat-system. Let me return to the DH dishes. You mentioned that it depends on the suitable mount if it's possible to go down to elevations of 1-2°. The Gibralter IV seems really to be the "Ferrari" since 0-90° Elevation and 200° Azimuth is guaranteed. It also looks like that the Az+El motors are included as i can see here: [url]http://www.dhsatellite.com/gibralt%20dual%20p.htm[/url] I don't dare to ask how much that costs but it looks great :) Also i am asking myself how an Echostar 3000/3600/7000 will be connected to it because of the 2 independent running motors (wrong ?). Can this system be compared with an EGIS that can also handle Autotracking of inclined birds ? But the H2H here [url]http://www.dhsatellite.com/horizon.htm[/url] also looks sufficient in many cases. Is here also the motor included and how much does it cost roughly ? Now let me return to the Seavey feed. As far as i know you need 2 LNBFs, one for the KU, another for the C-Band. Usually for circular polarised signals you have to fit a dielectrical plate in the feed and get it out when you want to receive linear signals otherwise if you don't use it at all you'll lose about 3dB right ? Well this is why i'm regarding the czech Uniband LNBF as very interesting since you don't have to do this anymore but i really don't know if it does perform as well as a Seavey with very good LNBFs for both bands. Now let me return to the Seavey feed. As far as i know you need 2 LNBFs, one for the KU, another for the C-Band. Usually for circular polarised signals you have to fit a dielectrical plate in the feed and get it out when you want to receive linear signals otherwise if you don't use it at all you'll lose about 3dB right ? Well this is why i regard the czech Uniband LNBF as very interesting since you don't have to do this anymore but i really don't know if it does perform as well as a Seavey with very good LNBFs for both bands. It would be a pity to lose so many C-Band circular frequencies. Would you please tell me which LNBFs in each band you would favorize Likvid ? I mean also the non highend but the class below, tell them very good ones. I hear a lot about Invacom, California Amplifier, SMW, Norsat just to mention a few. How do you switch between the C and KU-LNBF then since one coax cable is coming to the receiver ? I also really wonder if one fits only a KU-LNBF to the feed of the dish how much more gain to you get instead of running Seavy and both LNBFs ? What i am trying to say is a 2.40m would it perform as a 2m in KU or less ? Suppose that's why you don't recommend starting with C-Band below 3m. But many new generations of satellites risen their power and thus in my simple opinion you can still get a great choice of both bands. Well coming to the end this time let me ask you also this Likvid: Many people use different receivers. For the moment i have got an Echostar LT8700, an Echostar 3000, a Nokia dbox1 with NDT1006A Tuner and DVB 2000 1.84.7, a Skystar 2 rev 2.3 and an analogue PCI card Technisat DISCOS for the german radio stations on the dying ADR-System in MPEG 1 Layer 2. I am awaiting the Dreambox 7025 so finally i think this collection will cover most of my needs. Say i would use the Echostar 3000 as the master receiver. Dependent on if i would tune into a weak analogue or digital signal, a data stream i would like to connect additionally one of the rest of receivers i got. Since the 3000 has an IF out for the analogue tuner i could use this for connecting one of the other devices. The problem is that the loss would be too high in signals on the lock limit and thus useless. This is why i would tend to install a KU Quad-LNBF like the Invacoms that not really are that bad as far as i read here around. But then i am asking myself what about the C-Band ? So is it possible to get at the same time C+KU Band on 4 Receivers or should i forget this quickly and better handle it like this: Use Single output LNBFs, turn the dish with the Echostar 3000 to the position that is wished, disconnect it from current and put the coax cable in the other wished receiver ? If Quick-F-connectors would be used this can be done without a tremendous effort but maybe there is a better solution for this. Oh yeah, lots of text again and poor Likvid will be shocked, hope not eh ? Best regards to the whole sat-community worldwide from sunny Stuttgart. [B]And never forget: The bigger the dish the more open is your window to the world.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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