Advice Needed Diseqc setup? or Receiver setup?

[Jaska-oz]

Hi, I,m in Finland. I am just trying to have a motorized dish and a prime focus dish on 28.2E going through a diseqc to the vu duo2. I can get one working or the other but not both at the same time. I think I may give up soon.

Thank you.
Jason

 

[a33]

Hi, I,m in Finland. I am just trying to have a motorized dish and a prime focus dish on 28.2E going through a diseqc to the vu duo2.

Please tell us: why this way? Why not as @Milamber wrote:
"Easy set up would be one direct from tuner " A " to the motorised dish. Second from tuner " B " via Diseqc switch to the other fixed dishes."

Don't give up till you have made the problem clear. It isn't clear yet....

Greetz,
A33

 

[Archive4]

 

[Archive4]

Hi, I,m in Finland

OK Jason, we will not hold your location against you. We have some very good friends from that part of the world, most of whom are far more intelligent than I am.
Re your problem, if you can explain it better, the more we can help. ( If English is not your first language , try in your own, although a rough translation for us unilingual people would be kind! )
Please allow us to help you

 

[Jaska-oz]

Hi. I am from Australia and live in Finland. So the reason for not using tuner B for anything as I am using it for 28.2 from a quad lmb so two lines from a quad lnb to the same tuner doesn't work so I am trying to have oneline going to tuner A and B. Also tuner B has other sats on its diseqc as well.
So the problem so far is tuner A has motor on line one and 28.2 on line 2 of the diseqc. I get one or the other Woking with the setting but not both.
So i get the motor to works fine but then no signal on 28.2 then I fiddle with the setting and get signal from 28.2 and the change back to to motor no signal.
I do remove tuner B when I do this so it's only trying to use tuner A only.
I have had the motor work on 4.8 with the motor and 28.2 on the fixed dish at the same time but no other sats worked on the motor it just keeps searching for signal.
I have also tried a different diseqc and swapped tuners but still no luck.

Thank you all for the help thus far.

 

[a33]

So, as @Milamber wrote, usually people connect the motorized dish to one tuner (without a diseqc switch), and then the three fixed dishes (in your case) to the other tuner (with one of your switches; they have enough ports). That gives the most flexibility. (Only with specific other wishes another setup could be more usufull -- but that is not the case with you?)

Would that setup be possible for you? Then I would try that first.

If not: make a picture of the setup screens you have for motor and 28E; then we can find possible irregularities faster than by using words....

Greetz,
A33

 

[Mickha]

Are you setting your motorized dish up correctly, in the Tuner Configuration menu?
Using Diseqc 1.2, which you have to in the advanced configuration option, you might need to add each satellite.
Can you please post your Tuner Configuration settings, for the Tuner connecting to both the fixed dish, and the motorized dish.

 

[Archive4]

Hi. I am from Australia and live in Finland.

Talk about an upside-down cake!
OK, jokes aside, Run 1st cable to motor. Nothing else.
Use 2nd cable via diseqc for fixed dishes. ( not sure what software or image you are using, but if set to auto tuner, if you have too many channels on the fixed system, it will override the motor tuner, and vice versa )
I know it sounds mad, because it is!

 

[Jaska-oz]

Talk about an upside-down cake!
OK, jokes aside, Run 1st cable to motor. Nothing else.
Use 2nd cable via diseqc for fixed dishes. ( not sure what software or image you are using, but if set to auto tuner, if you have too many channels on the fixed system, it will override the motor tuner, and vice versa )
I know it sounds mad, because it is!

Hi,
I thought it could a conflict because a I had the fixed dish working and then had two sats of the motor working but none of the others so sound about right about the override. Guess I will have to run another line and get another tuner for the vu then. Well maybe next year.

Thanks to all for the help.

Upside-down cake
Jason

 

[jeallen01]

Milamber

Excuse me for asking a "stupid" question, but how would you set a tuner to "autotuner" and how would you cancel that?

FWIW: the setup you describe in Post #28 was roughly what I had when I got the results described in Post 16 (Tuner A to Steerable Dish motor and thus dish to one half of the Twin LNB on it, and Tuner B to diseqc 10:1 switch and thus to the LNBs on fixed dishes - although one of those was actually the 2nd half of the Twin on the steerable dish) - that was with the Vu+Solo2 and OpenVix 4.0 (or thereabouts).

 

[Mickha]

You can run several fixed LNB's, and a motrized dish, from the same tuner, on an Enigma 2 receiver, like the VU+ Duo 2.
You do have to use the advanced tuner options, and manually set each dish/LNB, which does take a little time, and experimentation.
I do seem to recall a compatibility problem, with the Emp Centauri diseqc switches, known by the manufacturer, but I would search the internet, and ask Emp Centauri, as I might be thinking of a different diseqc switch.
So far the original poster has failed to describe how he has set up his tuners, or fully describe his set up, or his level of expertize, with satellite systems.

 

[jeallen01]

Mickha

I'll maybe have a go at your first pointer in a day or two.
FWIW, the 10/1 switch was an Opticum unit, not an EMP-Centauri one (and, from my very limited experience with the latter with a slightly different problem, they provide very good instructions and excellent Tech Support), and the Opticum switch appears to have been working fine in diseqc 1.1 mode - except that the "advertised" ability to be switched into various uncommitted and other modes is impossible to achieve because you can't get the programmer (unless you want to buy a 1000 or more at one time )

 

[Mickha]

I'm almost certain the problem, I'm referring to, was with the Emp Centauri, and VU+ receiver, but it was in a thread, on another forum, possibly the vuplus forum.
The original poster, of the thread, should not have any problems setting up a fixed, and motorized, dish, on one tuner, I'm sure I've read others who have managed this, without too many problems.

 

[jeallen01]

Mickha

I don't particularly need/want to set my steerable and fixed dishes up on the same tuner - just the steerable one on Tuner A and the fixed dishes on Tuner B via the diseqc switch, but without the problem of the Rx immediately changing to Tuner B when I try to select a satellite that is already set up on Tuner B for one of the fixed dishes - and the steerable dish won't then move to it!!

The reason is that I might possibly want to record 2 channels on the satellite at which the steerable dish is currently pointed, with Tuner A using the 1st part of the Twin LNB on the steerable dish and Tuner B, via the diseqc switch, using the 2nd part of the Twin LNB - but I can't currently do that without setting up the same actual satellite separately on each tuner but with slightly different nominal orbital locations (say 28.1 and 28.2) so that the Rx considers them to be two entirely different birds (which, given the number of LNBs connected to the switch, would be a rather laborious task ).

 

[RimaNTSS]

the 10/1 switch was an Opticum unit, not an EMP-Centauri one (and, from my very limited experience with the latter with a slightly different problem, they provide very good instructions and excellent Tech Support), and the Opticum switch appears to have been working fine in diseqc 1.1 mode - except that the "advertised" ability to be switched into various uncommitted and other modes is impossible to achieve because you can't get the programmer (unless you want to buy a 1000 or more at one time

I have 4 pieces of Diseqc working many ears already. All of them came pre-programmed at Modus5, means they are good for cascading. For example, this cascading scheme ... up to 40 LNB . In the receiver sequence of the commands should be "Uncommited-Commited-Toneburst"

 

[Mickha]

This thread is by Jaska-oz, and my replies were for him.
This is the problem, we experience, when other members hi-jack a thread, which is why it's always best to start your own thread.

 

[jeallen01]

Mickha

I initially posted on this thread because I believed that my "problem" could be essentially similar to Jaska-oz', i.e. making Tuner A and Tuner B act entirely independently - and I think that it still could be, and I agree that getting into the detail of diseqc switching modes is rather outside the main issue of the thread.

BTW: this is the contact email address for EMP Centauri Tech Support and I think any possible issues about their products should be referred to them - in my experience they are very good

 

[jeallen01]

Found the preference settings for the tuners by accident - was set to Auto, and now to Tuner A - let's see if that helps

FWIW, under OpenVix 4.2 the setting is here: - Main Menu-> Setup-> System-> Customise-> Preferred Tuner

 

[Mickha]

Mickha

I initially posted on this thread because I believed that my "problem" could be essentially similar to Jaska-oz', i.e. making Tuner A and Tuner B act entirely independently - and I think that it still could be, and I agree that getting into the detail of diseqc switching modes is rather outside the main issue of the thread.

BTW: this is the contact email address for EMP Centauri Tech Support and I think any possible issues about their products should be referred to them - in my experience they are very good

The product was returned, by the owner, and Emp Centauri were excellent, they tested the product, and discovered the compatibility problem, between the Diseqc switch, and his VU+ receiver, but unfortunately couldn't fix it.

You can also set the preferred tuner in most images, in Black Hole I set the customize option to Expert, and have lots of other options.

 

[jeallen01]

Living and learning - I hope!

Mickha

EMP Centauri discovered that the cheap "diseqc 2.0", or so it was claimed, BEST 4-way switches don't work as they should when I sent them one of those - they are very thorough! And it would be interesting to know roughly what sort of incompatibility there is between the EMP switches and Vu+ Rxs so as to be aware for the future (or am I getting off-thread again?).

Tuners: I did not doubt that other images would have similar options, but, in BH, what are the available settings, as that might be interesting for the future - and could that help to solve Jason's problems?
(Sticking with OV for the moment though - still lot's to learn there without complicating matters more!)