Dreambox 8000 discussions

[Sharkadder]

Hi, i read on the official dream website that they are now advertising a HDTV model of the dreambox in the news page.

According to dream 2 models will be released, a budget model and a model which will include everything. The asking price looks to be 799 euros, (a little over £500) for the advanced model.

My main concern is the fact i'm told the 8000 did not get it's DHCP or HDMI licences, these people may be wrong but i'm wondering how we would get HDTV onto our TV sets if the box has no HDMI port.

Hopefully they have gone ahead and include HDMI and DHCP and then that will make all the waiting worth it.

It is suspected the box will be released in the next few weeks, although without the HD whats the point.

The site says HDTV, im told no HDMI so i don't know what to think.

looks like we just have to wait and see what happens .

Anything else to do with the 8000 post here.

thanks

 

[Llew]

It'll have component output at the very least, so will deliver HD to a TV so equipped if no HDMI licence given.

Llew

 

[HB13DISH]

There is a Dreambox 8000S specification (pdf) that was posted in the Portuguese section.
I am attaching it here, but the credit goes to them.
Anyway, this spec doesn't mention the HDMI connector, and you are absolutely right to be alarmed. We don't want members to buy a box that doesn't comply with the HDTV standards.
Regarding the price, last week somebody posted that the price is ~ 600 pounds. But your conversion number of 500 pounds seem to be better for our pockets.

This might be just a new model to be followed by HDTV compliant model.
So let's just wait and see.

 

[Prodelin]

Just use a DVI->HDMI connector and you will be fine.

 

[HB13DISH]

We had several threads last week regarding the Dreambox 8000 and they all went to the HD TV section (I think?)
Please define Dreambox 8000 in the Linux Based Receivers sections.
Perhaps this thread can be made a sticky one there.
Thanks.

 

[Sharkadder]

well it seems that dream are giving nothing away, but i think i'll wait a few months and get one once they become cheap enough, no way do i have £600 for one, a few hundred maybe.

I'm still abit concerned over it, i think it's best i wait for the release and see what somebody who has bought one says.

that seems the best option, i'd always seen the spec before but we can be in hope

p.s. will DVI -> HDMI conector lower the quallity or anything?

 

[HB13DISH]

well it seems that dream are giving nothing away, but i think i'll wait a few months and get one once they become cheap enough, no way do i have £600 for one, a few hundred maybe.

I'm still abit concerned over it, i think it's best i wait for the release and see what somebody who has bought one says.

that seems the best option, i'd always seen the spec before but we can be in hope

p.s. will DVI -> HDMI conector lower the quallity or anything?

I am confused again. Is it £600 or £500
What is the rate of exchange between euro and pound that you are using?

 

[Sharkadder]

it's one of them, too be honest if your wanting to shell out 500 for one, then i don't suspect you will be bothered about an extra 100 notes.

well it says 780 or 790 euros so roughtly thats about £590 according to XE.com

thats 1.3 EURO to the £

 

[CROSSBONES]

Using a DVI connection, you only get video, no audio.

so the long wait has not been worth it for me. I would not pay that sort of money for the 8000.

Ill see what rhe ipbox has to offer.

 

[Prodelin]

True, pathetic price on this one.

I might get the Kathrein UFS910 instead, i read that they will implememt Diseqc 1.2 soon.

, no audio.

so the long wait has not been worth it for me. I would not pay that sort of money for the 8000.

.

 

[Sharkadder]

won't the 8000 support surround sound anyways?

Ususally they have seperate connections on the back for the audio so that won't be a problem if the TV set has an audio in.

 

[Prodelin]

There's no problem without HDMI, it just a formality.

Problem is that HDMI is stricted to the HDCP protocol, i really don't know if Sky HD uses HDCP??

won't the 8000 support surround sound anyways?

Ususally they have seperate connections on the back for the audio so that won't be a problem if the TV set has an audio in.

 

[T_G]

True, pathetic price on this one.

I might get the Kathrein UFS910 instead, i read that they will implememt Diseqc 1.2 soon.

You might need to wait a long time... This is a post I found on the UFS Forum, a user emailed Kathrein about diseqc 1.1/2 and this is what they answered:

"Hierzu ist derzeit nichts geplant." meaning nothing is planned for this"

Ich hab bei Kathrein wegen DiSEqC 1.1und 1.2 nachgefragt und das ist die Antwort!!!

Sehr geehrter Herr XXXXXXXX

auf Ihr Email vom 04.01.2008 möchten wir
Ihnen gerne nachstehendes
mitteilen.

Hierzu ist derzeit nichts
geplant.

Mit freundlichem Gruß

***********************************************************************************************
Technische
Kundenberatung / VVB

 

[WillowMan]

Look at this German mail order site. They are advertising the DM8000 at 799 euro (about £600) and claim it is expected in stock on 18/01/2008
_http://www.jesonline.de/product_info.php?pID=57789&seo=DreamBox-DM8000-DVB-S-HDTV-schwarz

 

[Jumile]

...and claim it is expected in stock on 18/01/2008

So still vapourware, then?

Maybe I'm cynical, but I'm not believing any dates or expectations until I see them on shelves. Even the Dream Multimedia website's "news" on it (10-Jan: "our new HDTV faves") is just a shadow. No links, dates or anything.

I'm not holding my breath, so 7025+ it is for me. I'll look at DVB-S2 when they're less bleeding edge.

 

[Sharkadder]

i can understand why you are wanting to choose other models than the DB but i heard that kathrein doesn't support half the stuff a normal DB would support.

It doesn't have diseqc 1.2 which drives the motor, if you have a fixed dish then this obviously doesn't matter.

I heard the tuner isn't as good, the addons for it are not currently avs well supported and it doesn't even have as good card reader i'm told.

I posted on another forum about this, yes the price maybe £590 but you have to remember it is not just a satellite receiver.

We all know the dreambox is more like a computer, but in the new model it will handle HD, a built 360gb hard drive, a built in dvd recorder, built in wifi, 2 card reader slots and 4 CI slots, aswell as room to insert your own dvd recorder or hardrive it says.

Over priced but you can just have the 1 box for everything instead of 1 for satellite, 1 for dvd, one for sky etc.

The model on the dream website must be the 8000 because it says HD, i wasn't aware of any other dream models due out that support HD

EDIT

apparently sky do use HDCP and somebody quoted this from a third party forum

Quote:
It seems the base HDCP encryption is between the SkyHD box and the TV and is irrelevent to the channel you are watching.

 

[djlemur]

If that PDF is correct then the DM8000 is running an AMD 5x86 CPU...
It doesn't say what speed it is though!

 

[stvy]

Hi,

Some clarification on HDCP, HDMI and DVI.

HDMI is a DVI video signal and audio combined with HDCP mandatory.

There are a number of different DVI standards but it is possible to have DVI and HDCP. (My samsung 24" LCD has exactly that.)

The question we need answered is does the DM8000 have HDMI or DVI? If it has DVI then does it have HDCP? If it does not have HDCP on the DVI then the question is does your TV accept a 720p/1080i signal on a HDMI port (via a DVI to HDMI adapter) without HDCP. Will it display it?

I intend to wait until this is answered by the bleeding edge people.

In the mean time I am looking for a HDCP TV and testing its ability to take a 1080p signal on a HDMI port via my laptops DVI output. my laptop does not have HDCP and hence I can test whether a TV accepts the signal without HDCP or not.....

Thanks,

Stvy

 

[Sharkadder]

well said, most people need this to get the HD effect on their TV sets, well in the UK we do.

That's why i'm waiting on feedback from somebody who buys one when it first comes out so i can find out.

Last i heard it didn't have HDCP but they may of got that soted now and just ditched the HDMI, time will tell my friend.

They must of got something sorted, be pointless advertising HD if we may not be able to get the effect on out TV sets

EDIT

in the 8000 flyer it just says this:

. DVI
. H.264 HDTV 1080i

but they are seperate bullet points

 

[picc2001]

it's one of them, too be honest if your wanting to shell out 500 for one, then i don't suspect you will be bothered about an extra 100 notes.

well it says 780 or 790 euros so roughtly thats about £590 according to XE.com

thats 1.3 EURO to the £

Humm....

Quality / Price relation ... looks too expensive.

Wait and see the real features... but pay +300 Euros ... just to be able to support HDTV today (Year 2008 !!!!) it's really expensive.

These technicals features arrive one year late... = price should be lower.

Of course... its my personal opinion.

Regards,
Picc