Advice Needed Eutelsat 10A (10.0°E) In UK

[ibbsmate]

Hi,

I am checking whether it is possible to receive satellite channels in London from the Eutelsat 10A 10.0E Satellite on C-band beams? I have checked the footprints for this satellite and I can see beams reaching the UK on 40dbw.

The particular channels I am interested in are NTV Uganda, WBS, NBS Uganda

http://en.kingofsat.net/freqs.php?&b=205&sat=114&standard=All&ordre=freq&filtre=Clear
http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/Uganda.html
http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/footprints/Eutelsat-10A-C.html

From the information I have gathered, it looks like it is possible to receive these channels in the UK with a satellite dish size of 1.2m.

Is someone able to test this for me before I go out and buy the dish and receiver?

Thanks,
Ibbs

 

[Captain Jack]

C band is tricky. I would say for reliable reception, you would need a 1.8m dish in London, though some channels can be had on a 1.2m...

 

[Archive-8]

[SATTYPE]
1=0100
2=C-Band Eutelsat 10A
3=3
4=5150
5=0
6=0
[DVB]
0=19
1=3649,H,20160,23,13,|-48 dBm, 4.7 dB
2=3665,H,3905,34,6,|-48 dBm, 5.4 dB
3=3666,V,37890,34,132,|-49 dBm, 3.1 dB
4=3676,H,2916,34,6,|-49 dBm, 3.6 dB
5=3709,H,999,56,6,|-49 dBm, 3 dB
6=3730,V,10320,56,134,|-49 dBm, 0.8 dB
7=3731,H,2499,34,132,|-49 dBm, 3.1 dB
8=3738,H,1082,23,134,|-48 dBm, 2 dB
9=3742,V,10110,56,134,|-48 dBm, 1.2 dB
10=3760,V,19810,56,134,|-48 dBm, 1.2 dB
11=3768,H,36650,23,134,|-47 dBm, 1.6 dB
12=3827,V,3078,34,6,|-49 dBm, 0.8 dB
13=3831,H,7043,34,132,|-49 dBm, 4.8 dB
14=3833,V,1332,?,4,|-49 dBm, 4.7 dB
15=3894,H,61305,23,1,|-51 dBm, -10 dB
16=3897,H,7231,34,132,|-50 dBm, 2 dB
17=3903,H,2083,?,4,|-50 dBm, 4.8 dB
18=3929,V,28790,23,134,|-47 dBm, 1.5 dB
19=4039,V,2220,34,6,|-50 dBm, 1.8 dB

I have a gibertini op125 dish and titanium c1-pll lnb, mine is 7° degrees off centre.

 

[Analoguesat]

You are probably looking at a minimum of 1.8m for usable signals for the Ugandan channels in C-band on 10E.

You will certainly need planning permission for a dish that big so have a talk to your local council before doing anything else and see how favourable they are likely to be.

You can watch NBS Uganda here

http://www.lyngsat-stream.com/tvchannels/ug/NBS-TV.html

 

[ibbsmate]

thank you all. I guess I will search for live streams on the internet

 

[Analoguesat]

NTV is here

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b6665-NTV-Uganda-TV.htm

 

[ibbsmate]

Sorry for opening this thread after a long time but I've decided to go ahead and experiment with C-band channels in London from the Eutelsat 10A satellite.

So now I have a 1.4m satellite dish from Mix Digital, C1 PLL Wideband LNBF, and a Technomate 5402 HD Satellite receiver. So far I've managed to get some channels with strong signals but not the ones I'm really interested in.

The reception from the Chinese Mux (3649 L, DVB-S2, 20160-2/3 QPSK) comes in at about 45% with 12 channels but they're all encrypted. I also get DCLM (3688 R, DVB-S, 2592-3/4)channel with at about 65% although this channel seems to come on at certain times of the day.

The channels I'm interested in are on the Ugandan Mux (3705 R, DVB-S2, 6250-5/6 8PSK) and the signal quality is about 11%. I've checked with Lyngsat and the C band beam reaches the UK at 40 EIRP dbw and a 1.25m dish should be enough to receive the channels.

So my questions are:

1. Why I'm I able to receive some channels on the satellite but not others? Is it because different transponders have different power levels? and if so, do I need a bigger dish or a more powerful Satellite receiver or Tuner.

2. I've already been advised that I need a minimum of a 1.8m dish for C-band but Lyngstat states that I could receive C-band on Eutelsat 10A with 1.25m dish. Should I trust information from websites like Lyngsat?

3. Would a good TV Tuner be more powerful in receiving channels than the tuners that come on Satellite receiver boxes?

4. Do I need a better LNBF? I've ordered a C band LNBF (DMS BSC421) from the US. It's supposed to be one of the best LNBFs in receiving C-band.

Thanks

 

[hvdh]

These advised minimum dish sizes were useful only, more or less, in the times when there was only DVB-S.
Now with DVB-S2, more modes with higher data rates are possible, but at the expenses of the threshold for lock.
The transponder you want, with DVB-S2 8PSK 5/6 has a threshold of 9.35 dB, that is very high!
While the ones you can lock have 3.1 dB and 5.5 dB threshold, respectively.

Maybe a TM 5402 owner can translate your 11% reading into dB's, to see how far you are below lock. Anyway a (much) bigger dish as advised, is probably inevitable.

 

[Analoguesat]

Sorry for opening this thread after a long time but I've decided to go ahead and experiment with C-band channels in London from the Eutelsat 10A satellite.

So now I have a 1.4m satellite dish from Mix Digital, C1 PLL Wideband LNBF, and a Technomate 5402 HD Satellite receiver. So far I've managed to get some channels with strong signals but not the ones I'm really interested in.

The reception from the Chinese Mux (3649 L, DVB-S2, 20160-2/3 QPSK) comes in at about 45% with 12 channels but they're all encrypted. I also get DCLM (3688 R, DVB-S, 2592-3/4)channel with at about 65% although this channel seems to come on at certain times of the day.

The channels I'm interested in are on the Ugandan Mux (3705 R, DVB-S2, 6250-5/6 8PSK) and the signal quality is about 11%. I've checked with Lyngsat and the C band beam reaches the UK at 40 EIRP dbw and a 1.25m dish should be enough to receive the channels.

So my questions are:

1. Why I'm I able to receive some channels on the satellite but not others? Is it because different transponders have different power levels? and if so, do I need a bigger dish or a more powerful Satellite receiver or Tuner.

2. I've already been advised that I need a minimum of a 1.8m dish for C-band but Lyngstat states that I could receive C-band on Eutelsat 10A with 1.25m dish. Should I trust information from websites like Lyngsat?

3. Would a good TV Tuner be more powerful in receiving channels than the tuners that come on Satellite receiver boxes?

4. Do I need a better LNBF? I've ordered a C band LNBF (DMS BSC421) from the US. It's supposed to be one of the best LNBFs in receiving C-band.

Thanks

I did point out further up the thread you were probably looking at a MINIMUM of a 1.8m dish for the Ugandan channels.........

 

[Captain Jack]

Pretty sure a 1.8m might be on the small side. My C band LNBs are off at the moment so I can't check but others around might be able to confirm/deny...

 

[Analoguesat]

3. Would a good TV Tuner be more powerful in receiving channels than the tuners that come on Satellite receiver boxes?

4. Do I need a better LNBF? I've ordered a C band LNBF (DMS BSC421) from the US. It's supposed to be one of the best LNBFs in receiving C-band.

Thanks

3. No

4. No

You need a bigger dish. Much MUCH bigger. Start thinking 3-4m range - possibly bigger! And unless you have very understanding neighbours and a very good friend in the local planning office you have virtually no chance whatsoever of getting the permissions you need to put up a dish that big in the UK.

Stick with the web streams.

 

[ibbsmate]

Thank you all for the responses.

After reading lots of information on the internet I thought that a 1.4m dish might just be possible as many people reported that C Band is possible on smaller dishes. Although I checked on the Eutelsat for the UK footprint and one would need a 1.8m satellite dish. However they don't state which channels.

Home - Channel Line-up

I'm an IT geek and I thought try playing with some satellite stuff and see what's possible or not. So I will find anything interesting FTA channels out there.

 

[Analoguesat]

1.4m is big enough - for some channels on some satellites in some circumstances. Many of us have had C-band success to one degree of another with smaller dishes - Ive had a few DVB-S tps off 20E with just a 1m dish.

Your problem is that you want weak signals to begin with and are also DVB-S2 and a high fec. Each of these add at least a couple of dish sizes to the size required should it have been a DVB-S transmission