eutelsat 9b reception signal

[Kypros_Pambou]

Reception of Eutelsat 9B Ku-band Italy from Cyprus (Freq. 12341 Ver 31400 2/3 DVB-S2 ACM/VCM,PLS: Root +8)

With my 2.1m dish

With my 3.4m dish

 

[Analoguesat]

You might lose the Germany A/Ge beams going to a smaller dish and who knows what these will carry in future. Maybe even the Nordic Baltic beam could be received at your location if it ever will be used at all.

True - I shall try a new lnb first - Ive left the rx on 11958V and Ive seen a few flashes of yellow bar on the signal meter suggesting its actually not far below lock. Most of my lnb's are a few years old now & I suspect the long cold Scottish winters play merry hell with them.

 

[william-1]

Eutelsat 9B @ 9 east (9th March 2016)

Spiderbox-HD9900 + 88cm mesh dish

Freq--Pol--%
11727 V = 82
11747 H = 80
11766 V = 77
11785 H = 79
11804 V = 81
11823 H = 79
11843 V = 79
11862 H = 75
11881 V = 79
11900 H = 80
11919 V = 77
11938 H = 79
11958 V = 79
11977 H = 79
11996 V = 79
12015 H = 79
12034 V = 81
12054 H = 79
12073 V = 79
12092 H = 85
12130 H = 78
12169 V = 85
12207 H = 83
12245 H = 76
12284 H = 82
12322 H = 79
12360 H = 78
12399 V = 85
12437 H = 77
12476 H = 85

A rough guide 79% = 15.5dB

 

[Fisty McB]

Maybe only coincidence\weather etc, but never seen 12034 v that strong (T90).

My receiver is noting a 1.5 to 2db SNR increase on this transponder for me compared to 9A - will be interesting to see how it copes with rain fade.

What is the actual point of all these beams? They are now so wide that most overlap each other so can't be used for frequency reuse as they would interfere with each other. Remember Eutelsat have only published the footprint beams to 49dBW so realistically they will go much further as we are already seeing so also not that much use for restricting signals for copyright reasons.

Looking at the footprints, the Italian & Nordic/Baltic beams it might be possible to have them for frequency reuse for each beam. But other than that there's no reason to either beams German beam, nor the Greek beam simply being put in place for frequency reuse as no other beam available could do that - the only benefit appears to be restriction in coverage. I could see a point in it if there was a Middle East or maybe even an MENA beam that could reuse frequencies on the German A beam, or maybe an Iberian beam; but there's nothing for either areas that we know.

The only other thing I could think for such beams are that the actual max ERP on the centre of these beams are significantly stronger than what Eutelsat are publishing (similar to how Eutelsat indicate stronger dbW levels on the Astra 2E & 2F spot beams as opposed to SES) and that for the Italian & Nordic/Baltic beams they are offering an opportunity for broadcasters to use 9 east for broadcasts into these areas with a 4 degree monobloc LNB? (13E for the former, 5E for the latter?)

 

[timo_w2s]

Looking at the footprints, the Italian & Nordic/Baltic beams it might be possible to have them for frequency reuse for each beam. But other than that there's no reason to either beams German beam, nor the Greek beam simply being put in place for frequency reuse as no other beam available could do that - the only benefit appears to be restriction in coverage. I could see a point in it if there was a Middle East or maybe even an MENA beam that could reuse frequencies on the German A beam, or maybe an Iberian beam; but there's nothing for either areas that we know.

The only other thing I could think for such beams are that the actual max ERP on the centre of these beams are significantly stronger than what Eutelsat are publishing (similar to how Eutelsat indicate stronger dbW levels on the Astra 2E & 2F spot beams as opposed to SES) and that for the Italian & Nordic/Baltic beams they are offering an opportunity for broadcasters to use 9 east for broadcasts into these areas with a 4 degree monobloc LNB? (13E for the former, 5E for the latter?)

Yes, I suppose the increase in signal levels for specific areas by having tighter beams might be more the aim here rather than to restrict.

You make a good point about MENA and ME beams too. Perhaps Eutelsat's long term plan may also be that they have the option of launching another satellite for those areas knowing that the European broadcasters on 9B's "spot" beams are happy where they are. Perhaps Eutelsat 10A's replacement might have more ME beams?

 

[deepbluesky]

As for the Greece beam inside Greece the SNR levels are roughly the same. Here in Germany I see slightly higher SNR than it was before. I don't know yet how it looks like in Italy.

 

[shawl_who]

People in Delhi reporting good signals of wide beam on 4 ft dish.

Ill try on my 100 cms dish soon.

 

[deepbluesky]

I have to correct myself. Just after I was writing before someone from Pireas/Greece stated that there is a rise for some of the OTE frequencies.

source: sfocus at O Eutelsat 9B @ 9.0°E ανέλαβε υπηρεσία

 

[solly]

As for the Greece beam inside Greece the SNR levels are roughly the same. Here in Germany I see slightly higher SNR than it was before. I don't know yet how it looks like in Italy.

the beam Germany much weeker the Italy

 

[deepbluesky]

So you get them solly ?
I am interested in seeing the SNR of each frequency of FlySat KabelKiosk Packages

 

[solly]

the kablekiosk not get it only Italy beam

 

[deepbluesky]

Not even the Kabelkiosk frequencies below 12130H which are still shown in flysat as from being transmitting from 9A ?
If you don't get these then flysat is wrong and somebody should tell them.

 

[william-1]

I have told flysat that all transponders have moved to 9B re this 9° East

 

[Fisty McB]

People in Delhi reporting good signals of wide beam on 4 ft dish.

Ill try on my 100 cms dish soon.

I've tried marking Delhi here with a red dot, as under the official footprint it lies just outside the 42dbw contour.

Certainly there seems to be a better chance to pick up 9 East in northern parts of India without monster dishes compared to when the 9A satellite was in service...



...though the low elevation (roughly 10 degrees) might be a problem for some. Nevertheless 9B's widebeam footprint appears to gives viewers in much of the Middle East and Central Asia stronger coverage compared to 9A's beam.

Edit: Just to add that the DVB-S widebeam transponders are likely to be the easiest to catch. The real feather in the cap would be getting 12034 MHz, Vertical as that requires the highest signal quality (features a number of French language channels).

 

[Archive4]

View attachment 91473The real feather in the cap would be getting 12034 MHz, Vertical as that requires the highest signal quality (features a number of French language channels).

15.2 dB here on the 1.2 motorised, 60 cm should pick that up ok

Edit I know I´m not in Delhi

 

[deepbluesky]

@william-1:

Are you really sure that all frequencies have moved from 9A or do you just trust the statement on Eutelsat's website "The EUTELSAT 9A satellite is currently under redeployment." ?

One thing I can say for sure right now:
The Kabelkiosk frequencies below 12130H are definitely on a Widebeam because they are at least receivable in Athens on 1.20m Offset whereas the others (obviously on either German A or Ge beam) are not: O Eutelsat 9B @ 9.0°E ανέλαβε υπηρεσία

So according to this in Tel Aviv the Kabelkiosk frequencies below 12130H should be easily receivable probably with lower signal on 1.20m.

 

[deepbluesky]

@Milamber:

Your postal code if I can believe this List of postal codes in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia shows that you are located in Alicante region. Is that right ? If not where about are you to have an idea how to analyse the reception data ?

It would be of big interest to see signal quality measurements especially from Kabelkiosk, OTE TV and 12341V from Italy Beam. Do you own a card that is compatible with Crazyscan or EBS Pro ? That would be ideal. If not a receiver with dB measurement would be also good. Even a simple listing of signal quality of each frequency could show the difference to the other frequencies that are using the Widebeam.

 

[Archive4]

11785 H 27500 14.4 dB here on my 1.2

 

[Archive4]

@Milamber:

Your postal code if I can believe this List of postal codes in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia shows that you are located in Alicante region. Is that right ? If not where about are you to have an idea how to analyse the reception data ?

It would be of big interest to see signal quality measurements especially from Kabelkiosk, OTE TV and 12341V from Italy Beam. Do you own a card that is compatible with Crazyscan or EBS Pro ? That would be ideal. If not a receiver with dB measurement would be also good. Even a simple listing of signal quality of each frequency could show the difference to the other frequencies that are using the Widebeam.

Yes, I am just south of Alicante, sorry no card just a few dishes and stb´s.
Just posted reading for 11785 H, any others you want to know, just ask! Will check 12341 V in a moment or two.

Edit 12431 V 31400 the extrend sees nothing, but it is multistream so not sure if it can see those or not.

 

[Analoguesat]

11958V must have moved - I had absolutely no signal on this DVB-S2 trp last night - now its strong enough to lock even on a wonky dish. Its a bit erratic but its peaking at 6.7dB atm

Currently cant get a picture off the channels but at least they have scanned.