Express 80 (will be 80E) & Express 103 (will be 103E)

[satesco]

Thanks,@adonis, for the link to 95.0E, which I consulted before.
But this discussion would be worth having with Mr. Bozoth, who reported their existence on FlySat, especially as he confirms that they are the same transponders I found last summer. Of course, it is now only a question whether these muxes are at 95.0E on SES-12/8 or 96.5E on Express-103. And I thank him for that, as I was not wrong when I found them. The problem is different; I thought these transponders were on the 97.3/7E satellites.
I don't want to contradict him all the more with the authority he has in the DX world and mine; of course, plus he has a giant antenna than mine, lilliputian, with which he checks and rechecks what he finds, but I have to say it got me thinking that I too rechecked if the transponders posted at 95. 0 E is really at that position or 96.5E?
Even though my antenna is small, and because of that, the error rate in determining the position of the muxes found increases the poorer the equipment. So my chances of getting it wrong are higher, so there is no point in insisting. But after another check, I found the transponders at 96.5E and only at 96.5E.
And there is another element that got me thinking, namely, on FlySat, the reported transponders are placed on the South Asia spot. Or for me, it is pretty miraculous that I can catch with my antenna of only 1.50m muxes from that remote area. I think it is a mistake to place them in that area. Instead, the signal comes from Central Asia, I guess.
For now, I limit myself to posting once again muxes found between 12500-12540 V at 96.5E and the signal in the upper band at 95.0E, where I found no signal to lock.
Until another enthusiast who has access with his antenna to these positions confirms or denies my allegation, I will maintain my doubt that the transponders in question are at 95.0E.
O course, this message of mine may be read by Mr. Bozoth or other enthusiasts who can help me not to err in my above judgment.
And I close by apologizing for my long text, saying I want to be wrong and prove Mr. Bozoth right. It would force me to correct specific parameters of my antenna, which can only be checked under challenging situations. And we must admit that satellite reception at low elevations is a test for all of us.
Here is what I found at 96.5E and not at 95.0E with Crazyscan and IQmonitor:

 

[EnoSat]

I would probably ask about 96E here - Спутники Экспресс:АМ33 96,5°E/AM2 80°E/AM22 80.1°E/AM6 53°E/AM7 40°E or Sat-Digest | Экспресс 103 - 96,5° в.д.
nstanislav_satellite on skype

 

[satesco]

I would probably ask about 96E here - Спутники Экспресс:АМ33 96,5°E/AM2 80°E/AM22 80.1°E/AM6 53°E/AM7 40°E or Sat-Digest | Экспресс 103 - 96,5° в.д.
nstanislav_satellite on skype

Thanks for the referral to the Russian link, but it seems that time has frozen on that forum, the last recorded activity is from around 2019. The satellite name is not updated either.
I thought Sat-Digest was closed because of the war. There is no activity here to stimulate others either. I'll try again in the next few days though.
But there's another issue on the eastern forums, I've noticed on other occasions that most of the people on these forums don't really use DVB cards. Or in the case of muxes at 96.5E it's mandatory that when searching for the signal and locking it, a card that knows the new parameters, i.e. low symbol rate, etc. is used, especially since these muxes are for Data.
I hope I'm wrong after asking on the forum about my issue.

 

[EnoSat]

dxbozoth sent some pictures - more info on skype nick - sat-king (it is advisable to use a translator, foreign languages are more difficult for him to understand)

 

[satesco]

Thank you,@EnoSat, for the DX Bozoth pictures with 95.0E and 96.5E.Unfortunately, we don't have the ones of the upper band at 95.0E, the ones that got me thinking and that should have enlightened me on those muxes I challenged with certain reservations.
I'll try to skype him, but before that, I think posting my spectra at 95.0E and 96.5E is the best way to communicate between two people who can read these pictures without a translator. From them, one can see what we receive from the areas we are each in and then draw the appropriate conclusions.
From DX Bozoth's pictures, I can understand that he uses a DVB card that does not read all the muxes on the two satellites. In other words, I am convinced that if he insisted more, the famous dxer would find more transponders than those displayed on the spectrum, especially since he has a giant antenna. Most of these are indeed Data transmissions, which require a card capable of locking them and showing us their parameters.
And I don't want to be presumptuous, but I think satellites with more Data transponders are not of great interest, even among many enthusiasts. Probably that's why he didn't insist.
Besides Crazyscan, I use other applications, especially IQmonitor, because it reads the subliminal signal, which other applications do not. With its help, I managed to find out more than Crazyscan.
Maybe DX Bodoth will have looked at this forum and read this post, especially the pictures, and will try again to scan the upper band at both positions and hopefully send us an update on the transponders found.
Here is what I found at the two positions, 95.0E and 96.5E, and the last one, upper band muxes :

 

[dreamsat]

new transponders are activated. The parameters at Flysat are incorrect. i think it is a test.

 

[EnoSat]

yes, most reporters only send new/changed information to FlySat (or even erroneous - not all HW will display the correct transponder data) and a minimum of reporters send information about termination as FlySat wrote
in contrast, LyngSat verifies most of the information and refuses to release some

 

[cybertomanek]

12525 H 30000 2/3
12601 H 30000 1/2

 

[dreamsat]

here too thanks

 

[dreamsat]

new transponder at 12688 H 45000 DVBS2/QPSK 3/5

and a new Data Channel at 11654 H 14500 DVBS2/QPSK 1/4

 

[dreamsat]

Scan in High Band Horizontal

 

[dreamsat]

complete scan

 

[satesco]

If I didn't use an amplifier I would have a lot of trouble locking some transponders, especially between 11400-11700 HV, although the signal in my area is quite strong.

 

[dreamsat]

new transponder at 12653 V 35000 8PSK 3/4 (tested)

 

[dreamsat]

two new transponder
i think is are data channels

12660 H 27000 8PSK 8/9
12716 H 27000 8PSK 8/9

 

[dreamsat]

I was able to unlock 12716 H 27000 8PSK 8/9 this afternoon. It was not possible to see further data.

 

[satesco]

Well done for trying, but still, 12716 H is not locked with EBSpro. The parameters must be in green. You need another 1.7 dB to lock it. That's why you don't see any info about this feed.

 

[satesco]

Here's what I found at 80.0E. There are three new frequencies(11152 H,11158 H & 11677 H), and one has a new symbol rate(10976 H,11848,26/45,0.15).
Strangely, the signal on 11152 and 11158 appears and disappears only instantaneously can be seen on the analyzer.
The signal on the two muxes in the upper band (12660 H and 12716 H) can only be locked if it reaches 10 dB.

 

[dreamsat]

now is unlock at 12716 H 27000 DVBS2/8PSK 8/9

 

[dreamsat]

11060 H 7200 DVBS2/QPSK 2/5

programms in HEVC